"Only invited members of the Hudson community and media can see the debate live." Oh really? What is Harsdorf afraid of. She continues her "behind closed doors" campaign. Who has been invited Harsdorf supporters only? Just like the other fake debate coming up later on.
"First we have a counterfeit candidate, now we have a counterfeit "debate". http://tourism.rfchamber.com/e​vents/details/business-breakfa​st-3102
This is an absolute JOKE!!! Chamber of Commerce ( read Republican Party ) sponsors this event. There is limited seating and pre-registration required. Plus a $15 fee to attend. This is NOT what Democracy looks like. This tantamount to having Harsdorf debate at WEAC headquarters. This forum should have been rejected as out of line."

Link above is not working for some reason. This one does. http://tourism.rfchamber.com/Events/details/business-breakfast-3102

I see no time listed for this " community" event. Is that a secret too? I'm willing to bet this will be during normal working hours for most people. Republicans have every angle covered don't they?

This is nice. How about a PUBLIC debate? A publicly elected official, currently holding public office, should be more than willing to meet face to face with her constituents.

Mike Foley -
This is absurd - & insulting to the citizens of SD10!!!
"tape the debate for LATER airing?!?!?" Why? - so you can cut & paste & present whatever you want however you want?!?!? Hooey!!!
If you want any credibility at all (something you have yet to prove by me & many others...) - you will broadcast this exchange LIVE - UNCUT - STRAIGHT UP! So that both candidates are presented candidly. Man up!

Nice little "democracy" club Mike. Even the time is a secret?

I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that, so far, two of the debates aren't public. I've been unemployed for two years, I can't pay $15 for breakfast. And we don't have a TV. Streaming video is fine, I guess. Better than nothing. But I know of bigger rooms (auditoriums at high schools/universities, for example) that probably could have been used. And having had the pleasure of seeing Russ debate a few times FOR FREE, I can tell you that attending a live event like this is amazing. There is no substitute.

I appreciate you being persistent, Micheal, and for securing a debate, but as long as we keep the process distant from the people and on tiny screens, it will *not* make the process fully available to the most amount of viewers. You could have packed an auditorium and still streamed video. I think what you're trying to say is that Sheila-I mean Nate- refused to debate in a truly public forum, and since something is better than nothing, you agreed to the closed-room boys-club format. How disappointing.

Micheal, Thank you for your work in putting this together. I see that you are making an effort to host a debate under some difficult circumstances. You are not the only party involved in this process.

I have concerns about meting out the tickets to the local parties. There are many people in this district who do not affiliate with any party - and would have interest in attending this debate. How do the independent voters get invited to this event?

Mike I do give you some credit for the attempt but I feel like many of us out here in the district that this debate MUST be LIVE and UNCUT!

For the people to see and understand everthing it must be live. So many people have talked of leaving the district and crossing state lines. They/We have the right to see it all as it happens.

Please do this for us broadcast this live. PLEASE we beg you

Mike, if the River Channels people would give you a feed for Ustream that would be great! Jene, I don't think you understand the bandwidth considerations that have to be considered with live internet video. The quality is limited no matter how good your original signal is. Mike is providing the best quality he can. This is a streaming bandwidth issue. I apologize if I came off like I was blaming you for this situation. It is really the closed door event with the Chamber of Commerce in River Falls that angers me. When I first saw this post I was a little confused between the two different debates.

The Channel 15 studio can probably hold about an audience of five. It's pretty small. My guess is this isn't going to broadcast live on Channel 15. Of the three debates, how many will be in front of a general audience made up of anybody who wants to attend?

Perhaps the League of Wemen Voters can host a debate for the community? There are plenty of venues that can hold these debates. Of course, people living in Hudson and River Falls think they are Senate District 10. It's a lot bigger than that. Menomonie, New Richmond and up to Frederic are in the district.

Are these debates of forums? Does Mike as the question then Sheila answers and then Shelly answers and then the next question comes? Is there follow time for the first candidate to answer?

I think the Harsdorf campaign really doesn't want to debate and have chosen to debate in a controlled environment with invited guests only. They are afraid to a huge crowd. The Moore supports are pushing for the wide-open public forum to be packed by partisan supporters.

Of course, the Moore campaign has no control over these debates and the forums involved. The control is with the Harsdorf campaign. Moore could refuse to participate in any debate not open to the public. Channel has the equipment to video tape a debate in a large froum.

Just remember, this ain't about democracy and the people. It's about power politics. With100 percent Chamber ratings for Harsdorf, maybe the thrid debate can be held at a union site?

Mike, can't you reserve some percentage of tickets for independent community members? We DO vote too.

There were to be three debates and I have that right from the mouth of Sheila.One debate in each of three counties:St. Croix, Pierce and Polk.(Guess what Dunn, you don't count-too liberal I guess)
Here is the problem plain and simple: Sheila Harsdorf wants complete control of everything. She wouldn't set dates until recently, she sets all of the rules and CONTROL is a must.
If the trickets are split between the two political parties she is saying to the others we don't care about you!! Sound like Sheila to you??
I have been asking about the dates for weeks because we do lead busy lives such as work, volunteer work etc. and family. Big secret that most people couldn't know about until late in the game and NOW most people can't really be involved.Sounds just like Sheila in that if she can't control the message it isn't sent.We might as well get her message in a cereal box for what it is worth. This is why some Republicans won't vote for her anymore.

Thanks to Mike for trying but we might actually have questions that could arise during the debate and we will be out of luck.
I'm sorry, but these developments remind me of my sister eating an ice cream cone and telling me that I can at least watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad we're going to have some form of debate with the two candidates. They have both agreed to this format, which is good enough for me. Thanks to Mike foley for helping to get this set up, and to the RF Chamber and The Westwind as well. Hopefully we'll get to see who Shelly Moore really is, and hear from Sheila Harsdorf why she supports the Walker agenda.

Why in the heck are the examples of issues that you mention to discuss "abortion and marriage rights" when there are so many other much more crucial issues like: school funding, government control of the DNR, city management when cities have financial problems, elimination of health care for the poor, collective bargaining, etc. I'm not so sure that the abortion issue is even a state issue. I would hate to see the time wasted on issues like this that don't address what elected officials need to be dealing with IMMEDIATELY. There are huge changes that are being made overnight at the state level what with the new budget that are impacting hundreds of thousands of people.

Hardly an Objective medium......

I have an idea. Why don't all you whiners get a couple signs and put them on sticks and protest at the studio. Maybe a drum or two to beat on too. It shouldn't be too hard, you seem to have a little experience at it.
Micheal, you never going to please them no matter what you do. Keep up the good work.

BJ-
The American Association of University Women (AAUW) is attempting to set up a forum on July 27th at 7:00 pm for both candidates. We have a commitment from the Moore campaign. The forum would take place in River Falls, likely in the R.F. high school auditorium. We have not received a commitment from Harsdorf campaign after several calls. In the past we have partnered with the League of Women Voters but they disbanded last year. We will use League criteria for the forum and questions will come from the audience on notecards provided. We will videotape the forum and submit it to all District 10 community accesss channel who chose to broadcast it. It cannot not be broadcast live -- technology is not available outside the studio. We are asking for a civil assembly with precise questions. At present, we plan to hold the forum with whomever shows up to speak on behalf of their candidacy. We are hopeful that both candidates will come.

I think we should crown Harsdorf the Hide-n-Seek champion. Hide from the constituents, seek money from the Chamber of Commerce.
The two debates so far exclude most of the 40,000 people who have been trying for months to contact Harsdorf. There needs to be a 2 hour live debate with audience seating of 5000 and it should be televised live and recorded. One hour of predetermined questions and one hour of audience questions. Harsdorf has been a Hide-n-Seek champion since February. She needs to come out of hiding and debate in public.

I just had to remove a comment that personally attacked another user. Let's remember to keep it civil, folks.

B. Peterson,
If Sheila HArsdorf can't control the message I doubt that it will happen. I do appreciate your efforts to hold the debate live and allow as many as would like to attend!! Control is her speciality.
And to Mainstreet...Maybe we will have signs on sticks and drums, the best idea I have ever heard from your fingers.
And can anyone imagine a better place for a Republican candidate to debate than a Chamber of Commerce event???
We may have srums and signs but we are not stupid!!

Does anyone really think anything of substance is going to come out of this "debate"? Sheila runs and hides and then agrees to a debate in a very "controlled' environment so she can talk about the recalls and who is behind them. Guess what Sheila probably won't talk about - her record.

I'm surprised she didn't want the debate to be held in a walk-in closet with Jesse Garza, Nathan Duerkop and someone from Fox News.

I've seen all I need to from Sheila Harsdorf. She's alienating her constituents, and this is a cowardly way to "debate".

Thanks anyway for trying to get an actual debate Micheal.

I see that Shelly Moore has accepted invitations to four debates including this one. Maybe she will be the only candidate in attendance at the other three debates? Any word from Sheila Harsdorf's camp?

Speak Out just spoke out and I agree with speak out 150%.
Keep those thoughts coming, speak out.!! We might be on the same page!
Hopefully the AAUW people will be able to get the HArsdorf campaign people to agree to the river Falls debate open to all with questions from many and not controlled by party or Harsdorf. Anyone want to bet money on this one as to whether Sheila will appear? I don;t gamble but I think I know where my money would be placed.

A probable question Senator Harsdorf is probably asking herself. Do I agree to the Chamber of Commerce $15.00 breakfast held during normal working hours or do I select the AAUW offer for a large arena which would be free to the public? Let me see now...

SMike,
So will you have two candidates at the debate/forum or three. I read in the St. Paul paper that a BJ Cook is running as an IND. What do you know about the third possible candidate?

Well you know Mike we shouldn't believe what we read in the print media, right? I sure hope we have this clarified so we don't have a secret candidate who jumps out at the last minute to take votes from somebody.

Why isn't it being held at Lakefront park so we can all attend. You guys can both tape it for airing after the debate. They do it all the time for events. I think we all should be allowed to attend.

That is what I would like to know. Why hasn't a "Public Debate" scheduled??? I am sure Shelly Moore wouldn't be afraid of that.

First we have 'Fake Canidates", then "Fake Public Debates". And if Kathleen Nicklaus shows up we can have a "Fake Election", Oh, that's right we had a few of those thanks to her.

Nothing against you Micheal, I inderstand FitzWalkerHarsdorf doesn't want the truth to get out to rapidly.

Thanks Mike!!!!
While I don't always agree I do appreciate your efforts.
I just feel that the Harsdorf campaign has been less than honest with the 10th district residents for many years and now many of us do not trust the campaign.She simply doesn't always tell the truth and we have become less than trusting of her plans and statements.That can happen when you have spent more than 20 years listening to a Harsdorf.(Remember her brother Jim Harsdorf also held political office in this area).Too long for any one farming family to hold office.
Take for instance, her current anti-Moore ad running on TV. Shelly Moore couldn't have asked for the insurance Sheila's people mention because Shelly Moore has not held public office. Sheila has the obligation to clear up that mis-statement but you haven't heard that!!

Marcia,
Let's see..We live in a democracy where we should have the opportunity to participate in this democracy. We do have the right to talk with our elected officials. Since Senator Harsdorf has decided NOT to talk to MOST all of the people in her senate district, wouldn't we expect to be able to ask a question for a debate question..?I have been a participant in debates and forums and we were given a chance to respectfully ask a question.
Even Assemblyman Dean Kunudson held three town hall meetings a few months ago. I went to the Hudson Town Hall and stood in line to be able to get a seat. We put our names in a basket and Mr. Knudson pulled the names out one by one. He had a time limit, but all people had a chance to ask their question. One problem: The Hudson Satr Observer didn't bother to cover it but the Patch did.
We still believe that we have a democracy that we can participate in while following the rules.
If not, I guess I could understand a protest of the whiners.

llinda...
Gues I have two questions for you. First, why are you thanking me?? I don't understand what I said. Second, why did you tell Mike that TH3 shouldn't be permitted into the debate/forum?
Maybe it is just the end of the week and I am a bit slow but I don't get what you said. I have been at events where TH3 has done an excellent job of recording/reporting what did happen so I don't understand your comment.

Can we all please remember that before a debate can be scheduled BOTH candidates have to agree with the terms of the debate. This includes time, forum, and location.

joan and most other dems, first thing, We Live In A Republic, there is a big difference .... Second, these are not town hall meetings. I was at Dean's too. By the way, loved that we had to have three deputies sitting there wasting tax dollars to babysit the left. That was not a debate. And Sheila never runs away when people ask her something. What gets me is, I don't think the people on here, demanding a debate, really care why or question where Sheila stands on policy. You all signed the recall, you all voted for Moore last week & will do the same again in Aug. What will the debate get you? Boggles my mind...Soooo, why the desire to hear a debate I ask? To me, a debate is interesting when you want to Listen & Learn about a candidate. What don't you know about Sheila yet? Nothing, by the way you talk...It seems like what you really want is a way to get to her and Try to change her mind. I know she reads letters and hears messages. What else you need to be heard? Now, The Patch has even asked you to submit any topics you want for debate, but that still doesn't seem good enough.....????

It is looking as though this debate might be a little bias before it even gets started. I would like to hear Shelly's opinions on a few topics & the voters have the right to know. I wish that Shelly would tell us how much of an increase in taxes (state income & property) is acceptable when it comes to funding education? Now that Shelly is on board with the Sierra Club, does that mean that she will be leading the fight against building a new bridge in Stillwater? I would like to hear how Shelly feels about getting called out by PolitiFact for her flat out lie about Sheila & earning a "Pants On Fire Award" for her efforts. I would really like to hear about anything that Shelly supports besides WEAC & NEA. After all, (and I quote) she breathes union & she is obviously proud that WEAC is known as the Wisconsin Mafia. There is something that a school teacher should be proud of! That is my mistake, thinking that Shelly was a teacher. She was nothing more than an education worker!

Macia,
Those Deputies were not needed and FitzWalkerson's town hall meeting. They were there because of the Right Wing Nuts. There was no need for them. Just another dramatic show of poor me. As far as FitzWalkerHarsdorf your right she stands on Policy. Bad Policy of revese RobinHood. See when she wrote that budget she stole from Children and the other 98% in this state and gave it to the Corporations and the upper 2%. I am sure you well aware that Gov. Christy of New Jersey took 1 billion form Education in 2010. And a Judge ruled this winter that he did harm to 1 million children. Harm that can never be fixed. See Budgets show values and the moral integrity of the people who write them. And what this Budget Shows is that. FitzWalkerHarsdorf and the GOP are morally bankrupt. All this budget shows is how shift money form one to another. That is tha poor policy FitzwalkerHardorf and the Ayn Rands of the world stand for.

Same as Barry Sanders talks about on the National level is what FitzWalkerHarsdorf supports on the State Level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVqwgDiQvOM

Looks like wisconsin Corporartions doing better than 2010. CEO salaries up 27% in 2010. Wonder what they'll get next year?
http://www.jsonline.com/business/121822344.html

FitzWalkerHarsdorf=Tea Party=Ayn Rand
http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/150680/the_truth_about_gop_hero_ayn_rand/

FitzWalkerHarsdorf =Tea Party = Ayn Rand great video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7zwO88nRH8

Another great video of the GOP and FitzWalkerHarsdorf Hero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TxCWbTqz9s&feature=related

Why won't FitzWalkerHarsdorf debate in a "Public Debate"? What could she be afraid of the truth?

Why hide behind closed doors? Oh, that right she has gotten accustomed to closed door meetings. And she hates the fact there maybe transparency within Goverment. What was I thinking. Oh my....

And more of what FitzWalkerHarsdorf, Ayn Rand, GOP, Paul Ryan, Ron Johnson are working so hard on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcLWDGb0RqA&feature=related

More shifting of funds.
http://www.wearewisconsin.org/media/new-report-harsdorf-budget-slashed-funding-for-local-schools-boosted-milwaukee-private-schools/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/10/993183/-Wisconsin-Republicans-calling-to-turn-out-votes-for-fake-Democratscaught-on-tape?via=siderecent

Even former Republican Gov. Carlson is upset with the FitzWalkerHarsdorfs, Ayn Rand, Ron Johnson, Paul Ryan, and the rest of the GOP's.

http://blip.tv/craig-stellmacher/former-governor-arne-carlson-on-the-budget-impasse-and-the-problems-inside-the-republican-party-5254844

I had to laugh at a lot of these comments. You Dems don't even need a debate between Sheila & Shelly because you want to do it all yourself. Do you believe that if you post enough bad comments about Sheila, that nobody will vote for her??? It is too late for a debate with these two candidates anyway! Does anyone think they might switch sides after hearing the opinion of either one of these two??? Personally, I am glad to have voted for a state government that has the guts to stand up to it's employees. I love the spoiled brat reactions that I have seen on all of the videos during the protests. This economy is hell everyone but public sector workers seem to believe they are above this economy, especially education workers. (I have seen few that I would call a teacher anymore)

Hey Paul, do you like grape or cherry better??? It really doesn't matter what the flavor is, you'd keep drinking their Kool-Aid anyway!

Christopher: I just removed your last comment. Personal attacks against other users are not permitted here.

An example of being hypocritical would be supporting the actions of Obama & the Democrat Congress between 2008 - 2010 but then you turn around & demonize Walker & the Republican Congress at the state level. They went in opposite directions but they both used dirty politics. But I'm sure that you Democrats only see the bad in Wisconsin.

Marcia,
Were we at the same town hall? (Township of Hudson?) My reason for asking is that I don't see how we could have been at the same one. I only saw one county deputy and he was in the process of going to stop a far right wing man who actually went over the top and almost off the edge. Dean Knudson actually moved toward this far right wing man, as to calm him down.
Marcia, we have video of that entire town hall and at no time did the deputy need to come toward anybody on the middle or the left. We did have one man who didn't want to stop talking but the deputy actually didn't move towand that man. Do you want to verify this town hall meeting and my view of the meeting?
Maybe during our review of the meeting you would remember the very mean comments and name calling by people on the right. I heard teachers called many names you wouldn't call anybody on the outside of a jail. As a matter of fact, as a union thug-also called a parasite and thief, I cried on my way home. But I was still thankful Dean would, at the very least, listen to our comments.
Now that is my point to having debates and inviting all of the poeple who would like to come. We want Senator Harsdorf to listen to our concerns about the very cuts she and Gov. Walker favored. By we, I mean the seniors who will not have the same Homestead tax relief, the BadgerCare near crisis, FamilyCare caps, educators and school boards and I could go on and on...
Why won'tSheila & Walker at least hear our story??

Joan, I can testify that what you say about Dean's town hall meeting is true. Mike from the Patch also streamed the whole thing and I'm pretty sure that is archived. If anyone watches the video they will see that what Joan said is the truth.

Christopher,
I don't recall viewing many bad comments about Sheila except for her rubber stamping Govenor Walker's budget items!
People are upset with her because she won't stand up for what she obviously believes in or has been told to support.Plain and simple.
I have been told and observed that anybody in a position of power should be willing to listen. Guess one might need an open mind and ears to do that and the FitzWalkerdorf team doesn't believe in this idea.
A public debate/forum might have given the average Joe on the street an opportunity to ask and listen and we don't have that in either of the two confirmed events.
My money, at this time, is on The Patch event. Mike attempts to be neutral and for that, I thank him. I am pulling for the AAUW debate which could be open to the public.

Christopher Parent said: "Do you believe that if you post enough bad comments about Sheila, that nobody will vote for her???"
This is an open forum. Republicans can post here freely. The trouble seems to be they can't present a rational defense for Walker's and Harsdorf's actions or policies.

TH3 if I get a ticket would you go with me? We would make a good balance and I will be able to help you remain calm during the debate. lol! Just a thought. Also help with getting some of these comments off of Foleys back. I am glad someone that has the minerals to put something like this together. I wouldn't touch this topic with a 10 foot pole. Thank you Mike! Right or Left this is a very important election and with even more important topics to handle after the election. I wish that everyone remains calm and polite but most of all respectful during this time of tension. On a side note I believe I would make a great Dictator of a small 3rd world country.

D Paul,
Also, you're right in commending Mike's efforts to put this together. I'm sorry if I made it sound like I was ragging on Mike, I have others to rag on who in my mind deserve it, not him.

No good deed goes unpunished, Mike. I'm glad the debates are finally scheduled and applaud your plans, even though they're not everything I want. Some act as if their being there is what will make it news rather than what the two candidates say. I'd like to be there, but don't live in the right spot and won't be on any invitation list from either party. The reality is, I think, those making the most noise of not being able to see it live already have their minds made up anyway. They sound more interested in the blood sport of politics than in informing the public. It's not a cage match staged to entertain. It's a discussion or forum or joint appearance aimed at informing. The value to me is knowing that both candidates will be answering questions themselves in real time. Period. My not being there isn't going to change either candidates' responses and hearing it after the fact won't dilute the significance of the responses. Yeah, I'd like to be there, but being miffed because I can't would be overly self-important. A few of your readers need to get over themselves, I think. Thanks, Mike.

Marcia,
If you recall my first line was were we at the same meeting? I wasn't saying you were lying and so I asked the question? Why do you jump to such conclusions??
This must be your lucky year if Sheila answers your questions. Maybe she likes you because you gave money to her campaign or maybe she listens to you for some reason I don't know about.
I can tell you that not listening is almost the number one complaint I have heard from MOST pweople about Sheila Harsdorf.
For example, I called her the office the morning before Gov. Walker was going to announce his first time budget repair bill. It was a Friday morning and a very nice sounding phone/office gal said she was in the district. I thought that was great as I generally have Friday off so I could go wherever Sheila was in her district to talk to her. Well, I was never told where she would be and I was told I couldn't talk to her even though I said it was urgent. I believe it was close to four months later when I received a form letter from Sheila. In the meantime I had called her office several times, emailed her several times and still no answer.
It is obvious to me that Sheila HArsdorf simply didn't want to hear anything I had to say. I am left wondering why and I now am not alone as many people have had this same problem.

I believe that Sheila only talks to those who agree with her & that, from a public employee, is very sad. Oh and by the way, did she take a large cut in pay to help out the tight budget?

Chris you need to look at what the National Debt was in 12/2000 and again in 12/2008 I think that's explain alot. Bush almost bankrupted the country. Did you forget what happened in mid July of 2008? Obama has spen most of his time mopping up after Bush.

Ok lets look at Debt vs GDP and what Presidents scored the worst. Pretty simple to figure this one out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

Remember Obama is still mopping up the whole deregulation of the Banking industry thing Bush got us into in 2008. Not to mention the War based on Lies. These are facts that are undisputable.

I think good ol Republican Arne Carlson somes it up the best.
http://blip.tv/craig-stellmacher/former-governor-arne-carlson-on-the-budget-impasse-and-the-problems-inside-the-republican-party-5254844

Personally I hate that word. But, Chris seems to like it so I thought it would be an good time to quote him.

And more on them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TxCWbTqz9s&feature=related

Chris then here is one for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7zwO88nRH8

Ok I felt bad for that comment so I deleted them. To clean them up. I don't believe that is right. Just like to Inflammatory attack on Laurie.

A few thoughts!

I voted for both Governor Walker & Sheila Harsdorf with no regrets. I will continue to vote for both of them because I believe in what they have both been doing for our state. I view the recall effort as an attack on democracy. Yes, I do know that we have a Republican form of government but I view our electing of officials as democracy. I was so glad to see Russ Feingold get the boot from the US Senate! Now, it is Herb Kohl's turn soon! I just love the way that Democrats support spreading the wealth until some comes from them. Democrats view wealthy people as anyone that earns more than they do! I'm also not sure why Democrats believe that they have the right to what others have earned. One more thing, If it had not been for President Obama, there would have never been a Governor Walker.

You say a good teacher wouldn't skip his job. Well how many teachers actually did that? Most Hudson teachers had planned to work but when enough called in sick the school had to close. So at best, there were only enough to cancel classes. Most schools in this area didn't have teachers go to Madison, unless they went on weekends. So I really don't understand your anger about that situation.
Many teachers I come to work when they should have stayed home for several reasons: difficult to have some substitutues, not enough substitutes, some children seem to not do very well with a substitute and so forth.I can tell you that it is sometimes difficult to come back from being sick as the substitute is generally not the same as doing the job yourself.
On the other hand we have a govenor who said it was about the money and when the union offered to cut the payments toward ins. and retirement the story changed. Even when the money wasn't the issue he saw to it that almost all collective barg. rights were removed. Is this something you would support? Will you support the local business leaders more when each teacher in your district will have 400-500.00 per month less to spend? What will your school district do in the second year of this budget?
Do you support the cuts to BadgerCare, FamilyCare and Home sted Tax Relief? Did you feel that all the government employees that are in the State senate and Assembly as well as the judicial and executive branches should take such a pay cut?

So you love that they gave almost 3 billion to the rich and corporations and took almost 2 billion from childrens education. That's a great idea. Gov Christy fromNew Jersey found out what happens when you do that. Court ruled this winter he harm 1 million students due to his inadaquate funding of education. Glad you hate children that much.

FitzWalkerHarsdorf just shfted monies from the average person to the rich. That is all they did. The spending is virtually the same. Just a reverse Robinhood thing.

Micheal Moore said it the best. No one has be able to dispute these facts he presents. Many have tried and found out he is 100% correct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgNuSEZ8CDw

Here is a comparison of the Budgets. So if we are in such a Fiscal Crisis why are we spending more money? And if we are cutting all these programs and wages were is the money going to?
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/senate/sen31/news/Issues/2011-12-Budget/Comparison_of_09-11__11-13_appropriations__revenue%20061311.pdf

Chris,
Here is a comparison of the Budgets. So if we are in such a Fiscal Crisis why are we spending more money? And if we are cutting all these programs and wages were is the money going to?
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/senate/sen31/news/Issues/2011-12-Budget/Comparison_of_09-11__11-13_appropriations__revenue%20061311.pdf

I know your reading this....

CP, So you made a comment about the first part. Enough called in sick and how many was that? You need to answer all of the other questions, please.
I don't know where you work but have you ever know of anyone who actually stayed home and they weren't sick or very sick? It does happen all the time. I know because I have heard non-teachers say that they just needed a day to do whatever. Do you hold those people to the same high standards that you do the teachers?
rRemember most who have called in sick got away with it. But because several teachers did it on the same day they have received puinishment, at least in the Hudson district. Do you live in that district so that is why you seem so upset?
I find it very difficult to see how upset some are because some teachers missed one day of school. When they worked out of school hours most don't seem to notice.
I think you are making those teachers out to be something they are not and I think you should be at a school and volunteer for a couple of days to see what it is really like.It is an important job that is very demanding.
Do you think it was a very easy decision for many of those who called in that Friday?? I do know of someone who was very concerned about calling in sick and she actually had a doctor's apt. scheduled for that day. While waiting for the doctor she was correcting papers.
I think you need to answer the rest of the questions. I am waiting and interested in your naswers.

Joan,

Comparing folks in all jobs taking one of those occasional "sick days" on their own schedule and judgment--whatever the individual reason--to an organized, mass call-in to make a point does you no good. The point was to make a point, right? Why hidi from it with a rationalization like that? This wasn't "a" teacher, or even a couple, missing "a day of school." It shut down the district, inconvenienced families and ticked off taxpayers to make a point. The rest of the testimonial on behalf of the hard work and dedication of our teachers is right on, but pretending the "sick in" was something that it wasn't undermines the credibility, in my opinion.

How many of the commenters on this forum were affected by the teacher "sick out"? I was, and I support the teachers. I know many other parents who feel the same way.

The teachers were drawing attention to Walker's real agenda - to completely wreck our public school system. And they have paid for their actions. Punishments were handed out.

To quote Christopher "Enough said on that topic."

"Don't allow Thurston Howell III in! "
Thanks for your support Linda. I'll be sure to ask Mike to keep you out future events also.

I'll bet Linda is one of those people who is fighting for "freedom" for herself an her buddies ONLY!

Chris,
Here is a comparison of the Budgets. So if we are in such a Fiscal Crisis why are we spending more money? And if we are cutting all these programs and wages were is the money going to?
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/senate/sen31/news/Issues/2011-12-Budget/Comparison_of_09-11__11-13_appropriations__revenue%20061311.pdf

I know your reading this....

FitzWalkerHarsdorf just shfted monies from the average person to the rich. That is all they did. The spending actually more. Just a reverse Robinhood thing.

Chris,
Here is a comparison of the Budgets. So if we are in such a Fiscal Crisis why are we spending more money? And if we are cutting all these programs and wages were is the money going to?
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/senate/sen31/news/Issues/2011-12-Budget/Comparison_of_09-11__11-13_appropriations__revenue%20061311.pdf

I can hear the head scatching now.

Why did Shelia Harsdorf write a budget that was larger than Doyles? And who did she give all the money to??

Come on this can't be rocket science.

Paul,
There you go again, trying to interject facts into this debate. Shame on you.

That's what you get for bringing issues into the debate. If only you'd insult the other side and use some traditional rhetoric the place would like up like a Christmas tree. Sad.

TH3, I sure all Republicans didn't get heat stroke today. The election would be kind of boring without them.

The only kind of stroke you know they'll never have is a stroke of genius.

Heat stroke is a life-threatening condition with symptoms of high body temperature, rapid pulse, difficulty breathing, confusion, and more...

Your right TH3, I thought Heat Stroke because as you can see it can cause a state of confusion. That would explain alot.

TH3
Maybe their pulling a Shelia and hiding. She is awesome at avoiding people and topics. Do they have classes in this?

Paul, I watched some videos on the Americans for Prosperity channel. They seem have classes in all kinds of devious activities. I'm sure that the constituent avoidance class fills up really fast.

Paul, since it's just you and I here on the Patch, maybe we should watch a little TV. How about this for starters. http://youtu.be/5Ixtazg7bCk

Awesome.... I think they be back after they talk to Nathan and Jesse. Otherwise, it's be alot of TV for awhile.

Don't you just love the Democratic programing? And you don't have to wade through a ton of sleaze to get the message. Now that's a family value I can support!

ewwww! I just went to mooretaxes.com by accident. Now I feel all yucky and want to hurl and I'm going to have to cleanse my browser not too. ewwwwww.

Yes, no lies, half truths, etc.... Just good old facts.....

I really hope they are ok... They've never been this silient for so long...

Did all the right-wingers melt in the heat, or is there a massive GOP rally somewhere? This is spooky.

I think this post upset them. They may have to consult with Nathan and Jesse. Or they had heat stroke. That causes a state of confusion you know.

Here is a comparison of the Budgets. So if we are in such a Fiscal Crisis why are we spending more money? And if we are cutting all these programs and wages were is the money going to?
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/senate/sen31/news/Issues/2011-12-Budget/Comparison_of_09-11__11-13_appropriations__revenue%20061311.pdf

Yes that requires some thinking and an answer that doesn't begin with " She's a union thug!"

Paul did you forget the Popcorn..... Again?

Paul, I'm headed for the refreshment stand, can I get you a Koch?

Paul,
Just watched the Shelly Moore Show. It was GREAT! http://youtu.be/LmFMwwTeaXA
Tell your friends and even your enemies.

TH3, We missed the Party. wonder how many went from here?
http://teamsternation.blogspot.com/2011/07/video-wi-floating-protest-more-from.html

Awesome video TH3.... No, no Koch for me........Pepsi.

Holy smokes, there must have been what, 15 voters in the audience? Sheila must be shaking in her proverbial boots at that turnout for Shelly's fire-and-brimstone speech. Zowie!

TH3, We missed the Party. wonder how many went from here? This could explain something.
http://teamsternation.blogspot.com/2011/07/video-wi-floating-protest-more-from.html

Like the guy said Wisconsin is up "For Sale". Never saw anyone in Madison act like that. And I made it every week for 7 weeks 3 days a week. And I am not a Teacher or Public Worker. Even though Teachers are Public Workers. I always seem to have to say both.

Paul,
Sorry I never got you that beverage for you. Someone changed the channel and I had to watch this: http://youtu.be/yA771GNyXjM I tried to make it to the refreshments stand, but wound up in the men's room hurling. Next time I'll remember, No Koch, Pepsi!

It's ok I got popcorn. I actually like that. Shows that she will stand up for the other 98% of us.

Paul, I see Paul Ryan went on the "3 hour tour". Do you think they had a floating Ayn Rand alter set up next to the dance floor? Sacrificing Wisconsin to "Me, Myself, and I' must have been quite a ritual? Was Sheila there? Did she get to dance with Scottie Walker and make googly eyes? People want to know these things. They can't be bothered with trivia like your budget posts. http://youtu.be/SUXTTtjGa_M

I have to change the Channel, sorry, check out the video here.
https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/bestadof2011?refcode=thermometer

Love this little movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgK3dvmnUZw

I remember waaaay back in 2010 when all these "grassroots" tea partiers where showing up at town hall meetings and rudely shouting down the speakers.
Now it's a year later and all these teabagger candidates aren't in the office, can't take phone calls and are afraid of open debates.
The hypocrisy of the Bagger Brigade is astounding.

Commercial time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKblQtm5aEo&feature=related

Back to our regularly scheduled programing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an9fMAX67Jc&feature=relmfu

Sorry another great show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ixtazg7bCk

Here is a comparison of the Budgets. So if we are in such a Fiscal Crisis why are we spending more money? And if we are cutting all these programs and wages were is the money going to?
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/senate/sen31/news/Issues/2011-12-Budget/Comparison_of_09-11__11-13_appropriations__revenue%20061311.pdf

And why are our Property Taxes going up?

Opps commercial.
https://secure3.convio.net/pn/site/Donation2?df_id=3740&3740.donation=form1

WOW, What's wrong with his shoulders? Looks like they are stuffed.

And for more of the truth. This is an awesome link.
www.hypocriticalharsdorf.com

Back to our previously scheduled reprogramming: Do you remember Educational TV? Walker might have thought that he could overcome his college dropout status by visiting a Community College. I don't think the students there felt like he belonged though? http://youtu.be/1lN6fvxQro4

Moore educational Programming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjfZlJE4Oa8

And more education about suppression.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnaY4Y2gsPI&feature=related

He has a point I wouldn't want to talk about that or this question either.
Here is a comparison of the Budgets. So if we are in such a Fiscal Crisis why are we spending more money? And if we are cutting all these programs and wages were is the money going to?
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/senate/sen31/news/Issues/2011-12-Budget/Comparison_of_09-11__11-13_appropriations__revenue%20061311.pdf

And why are our Property Taxes going up?

Hang in there, Mr. Foley. For my two bits, having seen in person the idiot fringe cat-call and otherwise be be distruptive at Hudson School Board meetings and, in all honestly, not expecting Ms. Harsdorf to be greeted with total civility either, your plan for staging the event is reasonable.
For all the chatter that we do on this blog, direct questions and clear answers from the candidates are what we need. This works for me.
Though I would suggest you make sure the video is not edited for "content", but simply for presentation.

Dan BV, I don't understand how anyone could be out of line in their behavior since there can only be 10-15 for both the Republican party and the Democratic party of HUDSON.If there would be that type of behavior I am sure the police would ask them to leave. That has been the case at other Harsdorf.Knudson events this year. As a matter of fact, Marty J., Hudson police chief, said the protestors had been well behaved.
I do believe there will be much more than cat calls after the parents in the Hudson district actually realize what will happen to their school programs in probably two or three years from now.
Personally, I appreciate Mike's work on this project but I am very upset by all of the debates being in a forum that will make it vey difficult to interact with the candidates. We all know Sheila doesn't want to be in any environment where she must actually face people who don't agree with her so her campaign controlling the stage is in her best interest.We know Sheila all too well.

Believe me, Joan, I agree with you. Perhaps I am just getting weary about how people confuse wanting to question someone versus wanting to give someone an earful. I have a hundred tough questions for Ms. Harsdorf, and twice as many rants for her to hear. And no known science can measure the volumes I have for Mr. Knudson.
But I've met Shelly Moore and she is a smart, engaging, and earnest person. I have met Sheila Harsdorf and she is none of those things and less.
I guess all I am saying is that if Shelly is to shine as I believe she will, she will to that in any forum so I am okay with Mike's plan.

JL, Nice try... They Budget under Doyle was smaller than this one. Any way you slice it, it was less. I see you did not post any link to support your claims. I did post the link to support mine. Also why is our Property taxes going up in Hudson? Under the Budget Dispair Bill they can't raise them to pay for the shortfall Harsdorf and Walker created.

jil,
Before you tell the Kaukauna story you need to study the Tommy Thompson Qualified Economic Offer which was a law governing how teachers were paid for MANY years. I believe last year that law was changed but for all of the years you are concerned about the Qualified Economin Law was in effect.
School districts did not pay more even if their insurance rates were higher or not. repeat...School districts did not pay more in the total package because of insurance costs.
Here is why: The Qualified Economic Law did specificy that the districts only had to give a total package raise of 3.8%. That was a special formula based on the cost of instruction the previous year. The total package of 3.8% was first paid for insurance and then if any was left over it could go to actual salaries. So if an insurance bill came to much of the 3.8% then the staff had a very SMALL raise. Some haven't been paid for other pay they were due in their contract because the TOTAL package only had to be 3.8% This was good for school boards because it put a lid on money needed to be spent on teachers.
So Kauklauna did NOT have to pay more for WEA Trust insurance. In fact, the higher cost was paid by the teachers in place of a raise. This was a Republican law not understood by many. Would you like to change your story now? I understand this because I negoatiated it and had to know the law.

jill
Really...no comment about the Kaukauna lesson I just taught you?? That story is one of the 40 Republican talking points we hear and see frequently. An old story that is now put to rest!