Actually you miss the point shelly has already won. The voting base has been activated and Walker is next. All shelly had to do was wake up the base. A close vote in St. Croix a repulican stronghold makes it harder for walker to prevail. Regardless of how the election goes. It puts Walker in a poor position.

Shelly Moore's achievmnt is even more of an accomplishment if want considers that she is running agaqinst a 20 year in office incumbend! A zero name recognition candidate against the political icon in District 10!

W & H - Agreed. A year ago, no one would've thought Sheila would ever be in danger of not winning an election in SD10. A lot of people are unhappy with her job performance.

And her talk that she is recalled unfairly because she just did her job, is a mute one! Just doing a job is not good enough, it has to be the right job very well done. They always try to convince voters that employees of private companies are not as well off as are gov't. employees. At least in one point she is right, if a private company is not doing the job well, they are fired, and that is the reason that we apply private company rules to her, we want to fire her for a poorly done job!

Hudsoner, the "achievmnt" you speak about relates to the fact that all those union workers finally got off the butts and worked for a candidate. Till Moore showed up, the union participation in local campaigns was like Bigfoot...there was a lot of talk about the union and election campaigns, but nobody actually saw them invovled in the campaigns.

JPN- Why do you keep blameing unions? Unions account for 14% of the total states workforce and there are only 38 total public workers for every 1000 workers in the state and many of those are not union. Nationally unions account for less than 13% of the total workforce. To blame a clear minority for a majority position just does not make sense. Actually what you are seeing are the independents and a growing group of disaffected republicans joining ranks for a common good. If Sheila had remained a moderate republican instead of suddenly jumping into the tea party wagon she probably would not be in this position. I suspect the tea party involvement in the debt rating drop will cause even more to flee the republican party. It is going to be an interesting tuesday. Like my republican grandfather used to say vote early and vote often. Not really sure what he meant by that.

JPN, when you are right, you are right! But it reaches even farther, it activated me and many others like me, who have never been involved with political parties, unions or state employment!

WW, please point out where I blamed unions. Don't know what invlovement you've had in the campaigns to get Democrats elected locally, but the union members put very little effort into those cmapaigns -- Bigfoot. I certainly don't blame unions for the state of our economy. I blame the Democrats and Repulbican politicians and the people who sit out the elections and suddenly get their oxes gored and realize voting matters.

Shannon:

A year ago there would have been 3-5 Democratic protesters at the TEA Party rally. Had Harsdorf run last fall whe would have beat her opponent by a 60-40 margin.

JPN, Help me figure out where you reply to what here. If could be so bold as to try to interpret your Republican Grandfather's comment of "Vote Early, vote often" into modern day GOP speak, I think he might be suggesting that these voter suppression tactics of the Republicans would be the way to go. I mean , since you can't literally "vote often" the next best thing is to make your vote count more by getting the other guy to just not vote.

JPN, If people were too apathetic to vote in the Fall of 2010, and are now more engaged in the electoral process, then the Recalls have served a genuine public service. It you're insinuating that the recalls shouldn't be taking place at all, as many mistakenly do, you may want to see if Dean Knudson and Sheila Harsdorf would be interested in starting the process of Amending Wisconsin's State Constitution.

I'm not against the recall elections. I don't think we'd have them if Walker had come and double the taxes on the rich, increase teachers' pay and benefit package, etc.

Since we have the private unions working with the public unions in this elections, I wonder if we can expect to see the public unions helping out their SEIU brothers and sisters get better wages and benefits for the low level service jobs?

JPN, if Walker would have increase taxes on the rich, etc., and nobody would have rallied against this, could be due to the fact that "we the people" could have thought that such an increase would have spread the pain more evenly?

Hudsoner, could you refresh my memory on why we are having a recall election? I keep thinking it is because of the changes related public unions. Are there more reasons than this? Is it ok to be a Democratic and be opposed to these recall elections?

Who is the "right" Tea Party and who are the imposters? They all look like Tea Bags to me!

With the Dow down over 500 today, 20% off the years high, and unemployment well above 9% despite the president,s promise that the stimulus package would brring unemployment below 8%, not so sure Mr. Obama wants to hang his hat on this one. Look for him to try and distance himself from Congress. Here's a little factoid to chew on, in last 70 years, no standing president, Dem or Repub , has won reelection with unemployment over 8 %.

Kind of reminds of Bush and the "Mission Accomplished" banner. A case of premature speculation, no doubt...

Ust thank the Tea Party Standard and Poor warned them this would happen if they didnt put revenue increases into the budget bill. Nope instead they passed something doesent even really cut the budget for years, and they passed on a real chance to start working down the deficit. Either they are incredibly naieve or they really hate the country.

No Sam, we don't. I was actually shocked, because my new friend Howard seemed like a reasonable person, when I was shaking hands with him. Little did I know that he was a professional Bamboozler with the Tea Party Express being his own little personal "Wealth Generator and piggy Bank.
Howard_Kaloogian
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/legendary_gop_bamboozler_hitches_wagon_to_tea_part.php

I think it's important to remember that our "Representative" Dean Knudson has tied his wagon to these folks. And Sheila Hardorf is in his side car. For the people who were not at the Bandshell "Tea Party Express" festivities. Here's a little clip of my friend Howard, from SAN DIEGO. CA!! Some people say that would mean he's a POWERFUL OUTSIDE INTEREST. I'm just sayin'... http://youtu.be/pqcdx0LbvxM

What you will see in the HSO is a big ad for Sheila Harsdorf. So much for objective reporting.

TH, as you are against "outside interests" at the TP rally, do you feel the same way about the "outside interests" at the Madison rallies this spring? Michael Moore, Jessie Jackson, the national head of AFL/CIO and all the out of state celebs ( singers, Hollywood actors, athletes) ?

So the HSO is branded for accepting paid ads now (at least repub ads). Seems like a pretty non objective point of view by S to me.

Bewildered: You said: "TH, as you are against "outside interests" at the TP rally, do you feel the same way about the "outside interests" at the Madison rallies this spring? Michael Moore, Jessie Jackson, the national head of AFL/CIO and all the out of state celebs ( singers, Hollywood actors, athletes) ?"

I'm against the hypocrisy of Sheila Harsdorf whining about outside interests supporting her opponent. When she has the American's for Prosperity, and the Tea Party express visiting our back yard. Also why do Harsdorf and Knudson contantly refer to the fake news organization "The MacIver Insitute?. Because they are a front for the Koch Brothers. The MacIver's are WI's own Fox News.

TH, still didn't answer the question. Are you personally against all outside interests? Seems like it by your comments. If so, you must be bothered by both parties.

Bewildered. I'm probably like you. I'm more against the Outside interests that hurt my interests. I'll bet you're the same way right? If I were to be "objective", I would be outraged at both sides, correct. Actually I think most people are.Unfortunately, this is how the political game is played now. Make sure the other guy gets the blame. I'll be more "objective" tomorrow when we have a new State Senator named Shelly Moore.

H, yup, I agree... Other than having a new state senator (obviously). My fear is all future elections will be like all the recall races, on both sides. Until we vote down the muckrakers on both sides, negative campaigns are here to stay . Just wait to 2012. We ain't seen nothing yet ,

I just hope I don't have to hear Sheila Harsdorf tell me about making the "tough" decisions, one more time. I guess it is tough to decide whether to be promoted the Koch Bros. "MacIver Institute, or the wild and Whacky "Tea Party Express" who have commandeered the traditional Republican Party. Lots of objectivity with both of these groups for sure.

H, a legit question for you without any hidden agenda from me... "Do you think the "mud slinging" is limited to only Repubs ?"

My last two comments were intended to be directed at Thurston, not H. Sorry ! My mistake .. Of course Ii welcome H or anyone else's thoughts too.

Bewildered: Answering that question is a "tough" decision. Can I make it tomorrow? :-)
I think you know the answer. It would be pretty silly to claim it was all one sided.

Now I have a question for you Bewildered? Why is it that Republicans can never seem to vote for the more intelligent Candidate? Are they threatened. Is it that they prefer someone who's "dumb like me? ( a generalization not directe at you personally )? I don't get it. Shelly has consistently proven that her answers are more thought out, more inventive, even more considerate of the other side. Yet she is demonized by you folks. Are you afraid of an Intelligent woman? or man for that matter in the person of Barack Obama. Obama is a bonafide Constitutional scholar, yet you have HIgh School Dropouts claiming he doesn't understand the Constitution? I had truck driver tell me 2 days ago that the problems in the world were because of people went to college? What's up with that? Now please don't go and point out the fact that I'm spelling challenged :-)

Thx for the answer,TH. Yea, I was " begging the question". Neither side is showing alota restraint.

Ah, Bewildered's first personal attack against me came at 9:23 am. Kind of late in the day for him.

Ignore the trolls from outside SD10.

S, refrain from making inane comments like attacking HSO for taking paid advertising, and I won't respond. A little sensitive this morning? And this string was going so nice. I am not going to spend this beautiful day sparing with you. Find another target.

Let's ask Micheal, as Editor of Hudson Patch, what his opinion is. Micheal, should news sites carry political ads on them in your own opinion? Personally, I feel it alienates one side if both political parties aren't represented in ads, and most news sites wouldn't do it. Let's solicit others opinions instead of attacking someone who disagrees with you. Like grown ups.

MJC
Would you really want elected people to be in office for 20 to 30 years? They would be professional politicians (and with Sheila Harsdorf we can see what problem that is).

They could prorate a full pension for the times one served, and anybody was recalled and lost, should not get a pension at all! private companies don't give pensions to employees they fired, and a recall is the political version of firing!

Hudsoner
I'm not saying that I think we should have career politicians. In fact, I don't, but that's what keeps happening, and they only need to be in office for 4 years to get these benefits. I absolutely agree with what you said!

Any other sources? I find Wiki to be loaded with bogus info. That's why schools don't allow it to be cited as a source.