School Denies Student's Request to Wear Military Uniform at Graduation
An Hudson High School senior graduated early and is headed to Marine Corps boot camp. He asked to take part in the school's commencement ceremonies in June and hoped to wear his Marine Corps dress blues, but the principal said "no."
Hudson High School Principal Laura Love told a member of the Class of 2013 that he wouldn't be allowed to wear a military uniform in the school's graduation ceremonies in June, according to the student.
Mac Hamlin worked hard to meet all the requirements to earn his Hudson High diploma a full semester early, and he's set to ship off for Marine Corps recruit training on Monday. If all goes according to schedule, he plans to complete boot camp and be back in Hudson for the June 15 graduation ceremony.
But he won't take part in the ceremony unless he can wear his Marine Corps dress blues.
"If I'm not going to be able to wear my dress blues, I'm just not going to walk. It's not that important to me," Hamlin said. "It's not about the clothes, it's about the principle."
Hamlin said he didn't want to make a big deal out of the matter, but his sister Tiffiny Bradley posted information about it on multiple Twin Cities media Facebook pages, including KSTP, KARE, WCCO, KMSP, the Hudson Star-Observer and Hudson Patch.
School Policy
Hamlin said Love gave three reasons last month for not allowing him to wear his uniform in the ceremony.
"She wanted the whole thing to be uniform with all the girls in white and the boys in blue," Hamlin said. "She wanted the attention to be about the ceremony, and not so much about other things. And she also told me that if she started making changes in my case she'd have to do it for other stuff, like if people wanted to wear different things for other reasons she would feel like she would have to allow that stuff too."
The Hudson School District issued the following statement:
Principal Love, district administration, and the Board of Education highly value military service and the choice of some Hudson High School graduates to serve our country in this most honorable way. The "Window of Honor" at the High School, which contains photos of graduates who served or are currently serving in the military, is a daily reminder of the value and honor of military service.
The media has released a story about a HHS student who has graduated early, has enlisted in the Marines, is leaving for basic training this week, and wants to wear the military uniform instead of the traditional cap and gown at graduation. In this case, privacy law restricts the district from identifying or commenting about a specific student. Therefore, the district's statement must be made in general terms.
To change a long standing practice such as HHS graduation dress code standards, a formal written request by a specific member of the graduating class would need to be submitted to the principal for consideration. To date, Principal Laura Love has not received a written request for an exception to the graduation dress code to wear a military uniform from a specific member of the Class of 2013. Instead, Principal Love has received questions about the dress code and military attire from individuals. She has responded based on long standing past practice and what the high school ceremony represents - a culminating successful accomplishment of required work during the high school years. If a written request to the principal for such a change or exception to the graduation dress code to wear a military uniform is received from a member of the graduating class, consideration will be made by the Board of Education since this decision could affect all future graduation ceremonies.
Love has not yet responded to Patch's request for comment, but the school's website provides the following caps and gowns information for senior students:
Seniors planning to participate in the Commencement Ceremony must purchase a cap and gown through Jostens. All students must wear the traditional cap and gown; girls will wear white caps and gowns, and boys will wear blue caps and gowns. Students will not be able to pick up their cap and gown if an outstanding balance remains. Please check the web site at jostens.com if you think you have an outstanding balance.
Military Perspective
Hamlin said his brother walked in his graduation ceremony in an out-of-state high school, and he had heard that schools in Somerset, River Falls and Stillwater allowed the practice, but there's at least one case where the Marine Corps has stepped in to order a Marine to wear a cap and gown.
In June 2011, North Allegheny Senior High School in Pennsylvania was put in the same situation when Marine Corps Pvt. Lindsay Starr, then a 17-year-old and early graduate, asked to take part in graduation in her dress blues.
Initially the school denied Starr's request citing policy that states graduates wear a cap and gown. Later, the school changed it's mind and said it would allow the uniform, but the Marines ordered the graduate to wear a cap and gown for the ceremony. And that's what Starr did.
Hamlin's recruiter, Marine Sgt. Brandon Blazer said the following in a Facebook message:
"While it's unfortunate that Mac cannot walk in his Blue Dress uniform, the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor is worn on the heart of every Marine who has earned the title. Mac is a gentleman. Smart, tough, and mature beyond his years with an absolutely professional approach towards his goals. He is exactly what the Marine Corps is looking for in young men and women. As a recruiter, these young people were never hard to find in the Hudson Community. I came to find a lot in common with the people of the Hudson community: Hard workers who love their families above all else. A community that never waivers in their support of our young men and women in uniform. And a community for which these kids long to return to when their days wearing the uniform are done. A community they love to call home."
Marine Capt. Ken Kunze, public affairs officer for the Ninth Marine Corps District, said that it's not uncommon for Marines to wear dress blues for community events such as high school graduation ceremonies, but he advised that school policies should be followed.
"If it's the school policy that they all wear caps and gowns, then obviously we're not going to tell the school that there's a problem with their policy," Kunze said. "We encourage Marines to follow the rules of the organization that they're working with, especially when it comes to community relations events. If there are rules and guidelines that community events have as far as uniformity and things of that nature, then we encourage Marines to abide by those rules."
This post was originally published at 7:19 p.m. on March 9, 2013. Comments from Blazer, Kunze and the Hudson School District were added after this post was first published. This post will continue to be updated as new information and statements are received.
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Phil
7:52 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Laura love is an anti american person and needs to be fired. For anybody that know what she has done would agree.
Tom
2:37 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Please, do explain how this makes her anti-American? I'm pretty sure if she was against the United States of America, she wouldn't have put herself into a job pertaining to the young minds of our country. She doesn't deserve to be fired for this; Mac should wear the school required cap and gown for the ceremony, as countless students have done in the past.
Josh Standley
11:36 pm on Tuesday, April 30, 2013
Agreed Phil I am totally with Mac on this.
LCpl Showell
2:38 pm on Thursday, May 2, 2013
I'm a Marine. Its not about her being Anti-American its about the Policy. The Marine Corps is full of regulations we must follow and that doesn't follow out into the civilian world. once our term is over we adjust back ino the world, following the rules of where we are not the rules of the Marine Corps. The Recruiter Sgt. Blazer is correct. Once you have gone through bootcamp That Marine is not the same as the man he was before. You have a snese of honor, you follow the rules, and you obey the Civilians, you protect them. She is not Anti-American she i following the Regulations that were set, which she probably had no hand in.
Patti Kosterman
8:12 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
WHAT !!! They are the TRUE HERO'S in this freaking screwed up world and how dare she belittle our CAMO ANGELS like that !!!! Making the decision to go into the Forces no matter which one is the greatest, scariest, unselfish decision a child can make !!!! She needs a kick in her American Ass !!!!! LET HIM WALK !!!!
Shilo Cash Regelin Harp
12:43 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
You Go Patti... I fully agree with you. I went to Hudson High School back in the 80's & we didn't have a female principal. Thank God!! I would like to know who made her God. Apparently she doesn’t appreciate her freedom as a US citizen. I say someone should ship her to a foreign country where she would have no freedom. Any man or woman that is willing to serve our country at any age I whole hardly appreciate their serve to our country & I salute you all.
Karen Schmeets
9:27 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Nice job Laura! It should be this young man's right to wear the uniform. Mac, I wouldn't walk either!
Can't fix stupid!
D Paul Rode
8:17 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
I dont know why he requested it... Just do it, and dont let anyone get in your way.
Chris Hanson
10:28 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Exactly!!
Mike the Lucky One
12:00 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Yeah, who cares what the Marines Corps view on this this. Discipline, obedience, a sense of group identity, and the willingness to subordinate personal desires to the good of the whole are so outdated. Just do it, and don't let anyone get in your way is the new maxim.
Mary E Johnson
10:27 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
"Just do it, and don't let anyone get in your way." Are you serious? Wow! What a sense of entitlement some people have. Sounds like something a spoiled brat would do rather than a Marine!
Josh Standley
11:37 pm on Tuesday, April 30, 2013
I would
Sarah Savino
8:28 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Right....so tired of people asking for permission to do the right thing!
Sarah Anderson
8:30 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Mac Hamlin is an outstanding young man in every way. If Ms. Love thought this through, she would be proud to have him participate in the graduation ceremony. Enforcing an arbitrary rule just because it might lead to others asking for special treatment in some hypothetical future scenario is pure intellectual laziness.
peter
6:43 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
spoken like a true member of the entitled class.
Patti Kosterman
8:37 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
I hope she gets fired !!
Sara Tolbert
8:37 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
This does not surprise me. There are many things this school district is lacking. Sad...
Tammy Marquardt
8:56 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Love wouldn't let me walk for graduation due to attendance but my grades and credits were perfectly fine. (A young mom and birth mother now I worked my butt off to graduate on time with my class and my absences were all excused). As much as I talked to her and the super they both turned me down. Then expected me to pick up my diploma instead of mailing it. (I made sure they found my cap and gown in the garbage after that) They don't like their ways they've set being moved around by "special circumstances". I don't like the idea of people wearing their uniforms to graduation either - its a place for us to be all as one in our cap & gowns. But then you know what you do? Wear it underneath your gown. Be happy you're allowed to walk with your class.
Hobbes
9:16 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
There won't be any discipline for Ms Love...she and MB-E are birds of a feather and the school board is 6-1 for anything they say. For now...
TK
9:51 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
If school policy states everyone must wear cap and gown, no exceptions, then there should be no exceptions. If people think the rule is stupid, then lobby to get it changed. I'm sure not many would object (me included) to having an exception added to the rule for military uniforms.
Mohhand Battah
10:12 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Really? How is this a story at all? A member of a group (Class of 2013) wants to do something that is different and would set himself apart from the group, even if school policy allowed this, I would proudly oppose it. Why are we always creating exceptions for the ones that do not want to follow the set rules. If anything, HHS should be ashamed that we have issues like this. If we are not to obey the rules, why were they created?
Bus Lady
11:00 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Really Battah! This is a story that should be addressed properly! Why should we not make an exception for someone that has the guts to go fight for OUR FREEDOM!!! He totally deserves our respect. Again I say wear them under your cap & gown!!
Mohhand Battah
5:38 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Reply to Bus Lady on Mohhand Battah's Comment:
He's really fighting for our freedom? We have the most devastating military in history! The single largest threat to our national security is not on the outside but on the inside: civil war. We spend more on our military than Russia and China combined! "Why should we not make an exception for someone" Because we have rules. It's that simple! We create rules, everyone must abide by them. If not, I would love to start insider trading!
Jason5250
8:55 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Reply to Bus Lady
As a retired U.S Navy Sailor, I agree with Battah. A rule is a rule, no matter if we agree with it. That is one thing Mr. Hamlin will learn in boot camp. The military is full of rules. Some great ones, and others that are ridiculous. But we still take an oath to follow them. So while it may be "unfair" that he can't wear his uniform to graduation, he needs to follow the rules. That's the biggest problem with todays youth. If they don't like the response they receive, they complain and attempt to make it a national news issue. It's really not that big a deal. People need to lose their sense of entitlement and start demonstrating common courtesies again.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for patriotism and loving America and our military. I believe he should be able to wear his uniform. It just needs to be handled the right way. Mr. Hamin needs to submit a letter (as mentioned by the Board of Education). This will automatically come to a vote with BOE. I'm sure they will do the right thing.
Cherie Link
10:39 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
This is the same administration and school board that are allowing 2 students that are on trial for felonies, and one who has pled guilty to two misdemeanors not only stay in school, but also walk for graduation. Great message to your students.
ANONYMOUS
10:47 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
There is no reason at all for him to not be able to wear his blues. He is clearly proud that he serves us and he should get the respect he deserves. "Mo Batahs" comment is unnecessary. I believe him and Laura love are both are anti American. Wear your blues, walk with your class and be proud of your school and service achievements. Keep fighting. Schools in our area allow it, so she's ridiculous. GET HER FIRED.
TK
10:59 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
And Eagle Scouts too, right? An Eagle Scout has already finished and gone to great lengths to be at the top of Scouting. A newly enlisted person in the military is just that - new to service. Eagle Scouts should be allowed to wear their Boy Scout uniform too. Whatever the top Girl Scout honor is, too, should be allowed to be worn. Or maybe, just maybe, it does make sense to have everyone wear the same thing.
I realize it's too much to ask for an internet conversation that doesn't degrade into "Anti-Amurican!!1!" and other extreme and unhelpful comments.
Jenny Hauser
6:40 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Our High School should be so proud and honored to have this awesome young man walk up on the stage in his dress blues. It would be a part of the schools history and I'm am sure a lot of young men and women watching him knowing how hard he has worked to accomplish graduating early and being a marine will look up to him and maybe steer their lives in a positive way. Thank you. :)
Scott Erlenborn
7:35 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Good grief! Laura Love is not un-American or un-patriotic, she has the duty to enforce the policy set by the administration and the school board (like a Marine serving under the authority of another). There is plenty of time for this issue to be taken to the school board who should decide on whether or not to allow exceptions for military uniforms. Why this was not done prior to it being sent to the media is concerning. There are good arguements both for and against such a change. I would favor such a change, but would not condemn anyone personally who has a differing opinion. As a community we really need to turn down the level of vitriol and stop trying to devour one another.
Cari Rickman
8:56 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Oh she's Anti American because she believes in structure and teaching kids rules. That is unAmerican in this era.
Paul
8:02 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Just sue the school and fix it for future student. Teach the Principle a lesson in freedom. I have never sued anyone nor usually advocate it. But, in this instance I would do it.
peter
6:45 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
sue everybody! she hurt me physically and emotionally
Michael Von Altenburg
6:31 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013
A couple of issues with trying to sue. First of all, according to the article, he has not completed USMC bootcamp, so technically he should not be authorized to wear until at least Phase 2 and usually not until the graduation ceremony. Second of all, if they permit the USMC Blues to be worn, what would prevent them from wearing a toga, a tutu or even a neo-nazi uniform. This is once again much ado about nothing and a young man who will learn quickly in bootcamp that individualism (or all about me) will be less than productive for his career. 34 years in the Army and Air Force have taught me that less well. Chief
Brett
8:33 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Would the Marine Corps allow every Marine except one to graduate boot camp in dress blues? Of course not. As an active duty Marine from Hudson, WI, I think that the principle was correct in her decision. The people opposing her decision are making a big deal over nothing.
Scott Erlenborn
8:52 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Thank you Brett for addressing this issue as only a military person can, and thank you for your service to our country.
Cari Rickman
8:55 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Amen - thank you
Enthusiastic
8:49 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
http://refusethejuice.typepad.com/thinkaboutit/2009/04/military-uniforms-at-high-school-graduations.html
The above link does a superb job of summing up why this young man should be allowed to wear his military uniform at graduation. Please take the time to read it.
Cari Rickman
8:54 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
And for those of you saying he should have just worn it and not asked.....you're setting a fine example aren't you? That is deceit and he most likely would not have been allowed to walk. They can pull them that night. Why are you asking a person who says they want to stand up for our country to be deceitful to get what they want? Smh. Again I stand with the school, he can wear his uniform if he passes bootcamp at other functions. He needs to learn to follow the rules whether he likes them or not quick or he won't make it in the military.
Max Power
8:59 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Army Staff Sergeant here. The Principle is correct in the decision of not allowing Mr. Hamlin to wear Dress Blues. I cannot fault the young man for his pride but what Mr. Hamlin has not learned yet, but soon will, is that he is not an individual. And this act screams “look at me” with a very selfish attitude, things that any military branch does not condone. Also the “I’m taking my ball and going home” comment, hey kid, this ceremony is not just for you so suck it up and drive on. Like the Marine said above me, the decision has been made, everybody needs to settle down.
Cari Rickman
9:04 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Thank you for your service and for settling this with the military view.
Scott Erlenborn
9:14 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Thank you Max for addressing this issue as only a military person can, and thank you for your service to our country.
Max Power
11:10 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
No problem and thank you Cari and Scott. It has been a pleasure.
Butch
9:01 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
The administration allows the military to recruit on school property.
Why is that allowed?
Vet
9:08 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
As a former Navy recruiter and veteran of almost 9 years active duty I can tell you it's up to the school and the school board to allow such activities. I have seen some schools that have banned the military all together due to the actions of other recruiters. I agree with Max Power, the military is a "team" and a family closer than others. He will have plenty of time to wear his dress uniform after he graduates boot camp. Until then, be happy that your hard work is allowing you to graduate and then move on to something bigger than your self. SEMPER FI
Shilo Cash Regelin Harp
1:11 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
The schools should change this as well & not allow any recruiters into our schools either. The schools will allow & promote students to sign up if they choose too, but won’t stand behind a student when it comes to wearing their uniform at Graduation Ceremony. Double standard I’d say.
Jamie Zimmer
9:42 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
What bothers me about this, is according to all all of our liberal school personnel, they want everyone to partake in our democratic society, yet they take on the responsibility of being the final decision maker over trivial issues. I understand the "not being an individual" thing, however, showing your pride in your country, and your commitment and sacrifice to something other than yourself is something that should not be thrown away just because of a ridiculous rule. I believe the principal made this decision because of a political belief, not because of school policy. Our school administrators and school personnel need their attitudes reset. It seems they have forgot they reside in a county and school district that is predominately conservative. They would do well to remember who the people are that make up their school district, and pay their salaries. If this were my son, I would get all of our state and federal politicians involved. The school personnel of this district do not intimidate me. Unfortunately, our current school board bow down to them at every chance.
Scott Erlenborn
10:23 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Jamie, You said you believed the principal made this decision because of a political belief, not because of school policy, but based on what? Is this based on any evidence, because you took the time to inquire, or merely your own personal bias for which you are here accussing Ms. Love? Seems rather hypocritical...
Nancy
9:42 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I don't really have a strong opinion on this issue. I can see both sides. But, it appears that the Marine Corps actually does. If they have advised graduates to wear a cap and gown, then why are so many people being accused of being anti-American? I thought this article was severely rushed and lacking. It was never even asked why he thinks it's important and I don't think it's an obvious answer. If I were in the same situation, I wouldn't want to call attention to myself. Finally, there are a lot of ways that people serve their fellow man that are no less important. Should first responders, volunteer firefighters, etc also be allowed to wear uniforms? Where does the line stop? We should all be respectful of each others opinions and recognize that sometimes a rule like this makes sense when we can't all agree on what the "right" answer is.
Raoul Vandelayer
9:14 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
"If they have advised graduates to wear a cap and gown, then why are so many people being accused of being anti-American?"
Many of us, Marine or not, feel the Corps in some way grants a person a superior status over civilians. It does not. It asks a supreme level of sacrifice and discipline from recruits, but it does not admit one to a warrior caste of Americans. We don't believe in such things.
peter
6:48 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
i wanted to wear my ninja stuff and guess what? I DID. but, nobody saw me. i am, after all, a ninja.
Michael E Schnebly
10:32 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Should the kid who is leaving High School to work at Wal-Mart be allowed to wear his Wal-Mart outfit? He might be just as proud. Or is it just military?
Bus Lady
10:56 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Really Michael your going to compare serving in the military to working at walmart!!!!
Michael E Schnebly
11:15 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
As a veteran myself I have great respect for the military but the military is not something to worship.
yomammy
9:15 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Bus lady---thats the point he is trying to make....you let one be different....
Who says I cant wear my religions "required" flying spagetti monster garb for graduation?
peter
6:49 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
i get it. the military IS a lot like walmart. both depend on tax payer money to provide food, clothing, and healthcare.
Bus Lady
10:55 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I can see points from both sides. But there is "NO LAW!!" that says he can not wear his dress boues under his cap & gown. I would think he would want to wear his cap & gown because it is a honor to graduate just as it is a honor to serve in our GREAT COUNTRY!! So wear them under your cap & gown for the ceremony then take them off. Just my thoughts. PS: Thank you for joining up to serve our GREAT COUNTRY & GOD BLESS YOU!!! Be safe.
Kari
11:45 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I believe it's against Marine regulations to wear anything covering the uniform. Not necessarily "law", but I doubt this young man would want to show disrespect to the Marines by not following their rules.
BRG
11:12 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I've said it before, and now I'll say it again. The biggest problem in this community is when an issue arises, many choose to use it as a platform to attack anybody whose opinion is different than their own rather than have a level headed discussion that might actually get something accomplished. The fact that something as small as this issue can cause such incindiary attitudes to come out is really disturbing. Well played Hudson, well played (sense sarcasm and embarrassment).
Max Power
11:24 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Wearing your dress uniform under a cap and gown is a no go. You’ll be out of uniform if that done. I’m sure the kid will figure out the right thing to do when the time comes.
Paine Reliever
11:27 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
This is totally overblown. The ceremony is to celebrate graduation from Hudson high school. That is the accomplishment being recognized, not to make a statement about individual future aspirations. This is a chance for kids who did the required work to walk accross the stage as equals wIth pride. What if my child was accepted to Harvard and wanted to wear a Harvard shirt instead of cap and gown? He can wear his military uniform proudly, just put the cap and gown over it for the walk across the stage as part of our community. This happens all the time. The reason the military chose to advise wearing a cap and gown is because they would never allow such requests in their own ceremonies. Those harping about patriotism in this matter are idiots.
Support our troops
11:48 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I can not believe anyone would compare this to a future Harvard student or a Eagle Scout. This young man is active duty military. Tell me any other event that would not allow an ACTIVE duty person not wear his uniform. This principal should have gone to the school board and thought this over as a district. Their policy does not address the.
Angela Fellrath
11:52 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Is this the same person who wanted Hudson to STOP playing the National Anthem before our sporting events? I seem to recall something like this not too long ago. Makes her an easy target for those calling her "Anti-American". Her job may be to enforce the rule but it's pretty obvious the rule needs to be changed. The overwhelming sentiment here is the community does not support the rule, it's our school so we should have say.
Paine Reliever
11:59 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Angela, please show some supporting evidence of your claim about the principle wanting to stop the national anthem being played at sporting events. If you don't, then we can assume you have made it up.
Micheal Foley
12:18 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
This post has been updated with comments from Marine Capt. Ken Kunze, public affairs officer for the Ninth Marine Corps Recruiting District.
HHF34
12:43 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
IMO there are a lot of schools in WI that allow students graduating early who entered the military or are members of ROTC programs to wear their dress uniforms instead of the traditional cap & gown (military being the only exception as following traditions of eras past). OTOH, I think it's not right that girls wear one color and boys wear another color for graduation (especially the symbolism of "white" for girls/women), but that's a whole different discussion. IMO, wear the darn cap & gown for graduation, then immediately take it off and change into the Dress Blue's for all of the after pictures with family/friends...
Agaab
1:15 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
He sounds like a spoiled brat. The idea of graduation is walking with your class in the graduation ceremony outfit. If he can't follow guidelines for highschool what will he do in the military. He just wants to show off. Wear the military gear at a military event. Her view has nothing to do with being American, how sad that someone commented that. If she lets him wear his military gear then she has to let others wear whatever they want too. Should someone be able to wear their swimsuit? No! You wear the outfit for graduation. I'm sure if he asked at his military graduation if he could wear something else they would say NO and if he said he wouldn't walk I'm sure they would have a strong opinion about that. Rules are rules for a reason. Looks like he needs to go back into boot camp and learn some more lessons.
Scout_612
1:40 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Though we are very proud of what we do in the military that does not mean we need to disrupt other reputable institutions policies by doing things against set precedents. Though I would favor changing the policy in general I support the administration's decision to have uniformity in the ceremony. It is about the group, not the individual. If this young man has not learned that principle in his training then we have failed as an institution. The level of publicity this issue has received is excessive. I don't see this as anti-military in the least but rather a school leader attempting to do what she sees as best for the school.
MarineSNCO
1:45 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I am an active duty Marine on recruiting duty, so I work pretty closely with many of the high schools in my area. Only one of my early graduating Marines has asked to walk across the stage for his graduation in uniform, in his case the school allowed it. Had they not allowed it I would have told him to suck it up and wear his cap and gown.
This entire situation irritates me, not only as a parent of high school graduates, but also as a Marine. It is not that he wants to walk across the stage in uniform and is not being allowed to do so. Rather it is that he refuses to walk across the stage if he is not allowed to walk in uniform. If the young Marine was in my personal charge, he would attend the graduation, wearing his cap and gown to show that, although he is a US Marine, he is no better than the next person when it comes to following the rules.
One of the most important things I think this young Marine has missed is the lesson of humility. This young Marine needs to learn that we as Marines are here to serve the nation and protect our own against those that wish us harm, not to EXPECT or REQUIRE special considerations just because we serve.
So in response to the poll, I have voted no.
Scout_612
2:06 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
MarineSNCO- Well said. He has only earned the privilege to serve by completing boot. We would have some similar remedial training for his ego in the Cav. That young man may have great potential and has taken a good first step but he has not earned the right to be above his classmates.
No
Scott Erlenborn
2:51 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I have great admiration for our miltary men, women and their spouses. You seem to be the only place left in our society where honor can truly be found. Thank you for your unanimous opinion on this topic - I hope it puts this issue to rest, and thank you for your dedication to the service of our country.
Nebish Puposky
6:41 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Excellent response. Thank you sir.
Jessica
2:02 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I think the principal is absolutely right in her decision. My husband is currently deployed so I have a ton of affiliation with the military and I'm not sure the military would even support this young man wearing his blues. Graduation is about celebrating the accomplishments from school, nothing to do with military. He hasn't even passed boot camp yet , how is he a hero? People should put this much effort into acknowledging the true Heros in our countries our soldiers who are deployed and our veterans. Assuming this young man completes boot camp and all other requirements he will have plenty of opportunities to wear his uniform at those ceremonies.
MarineSNCO
3:41 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Actually Jessica, if he is talking about wearing his uniform to walk across the stage then he has completed recruit training and has earned the title of United States Marine. The Marine Corps does not authorize or allow our applicants to wear the uniform prior to commencement of recruit training.
Micheal Foley
3:43 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
MarineSNCO: He ships out for boot camp tomorrow. He hopes to be graduated from boot camp and back home in time for his class's high school graduation ceremony.
MarineSNCO
3:57 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Michael Foley:
Instead of "...he has completed recruit training and has earned the title of United States Marine." I should have written "...he will have completed recruit training and earned the title United States Marine." The follow on sentence was in the sense of being informative rather than dismissive.
Cory
4:53 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Quick question... I thought Marines received their dress blues after boot camp? How would he have his uniform already if he has not already completed boot camp?
Micheal Foley
5:03 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
The graduation ceremony is in June. By then he will have completed boot camp.
Micheal Foley
5:00 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
This post has been updated with a statement from the Hudson School District.
Nebish Puposky
6:38 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
This is ridiculous. Mac isn't the first student to join the military. Why should he get preferential treatment? Want to wear your uniform? Go ahead. Just be sure to wear the gown over it LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!
paquin
7:15 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I feel bad for this kid. He did NOT release this to the media, his sister did. He's being viewed in such a negative light. Everyone posting needs to remember, these are real people you're talking about - with real feelings!
Scott Erlenborn
3:13 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
An excellent reminder. Let's try to be mature enough to discuss the issue without attacking the chararcter of those involved including both Ms. Love and Mr. Hamlin. We don't have all the facts and we should never be quick to rush into judgement.
Ann Jacobsen
7:40 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
As a HHS graduate and the mom of an active duty Marine and and active duty Sailor, who worked her A** of to graduate high school a full year early at age 17, I agree with the school. Everyone should wear the cap and gown. The school can do many things to honor this young man and all military during the ceremony if they choose, but its a tradition to wear the cap and gown and the Marines are HUGE on tradition. Is he being told he can't wear his Bravos or Charlies under his cap and gown? Sounds like this young man is not that upset, but it's being blown way out of proportion.
KJF
7:46 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
All must remember the original article posted. This gentleman is not asking for ANY special treatment and this article was not brought to the public's attention by him. His sister has brought this to the public's attention. He asked for permission and was denied so he made the decision not to walk. Simple as that and he should not be targeted on any degree. Don't judge the book by the cover...remember that whole saying. So please, when you address the article address the topic and don't be disrespectful to him. I am sure that if you talk to Ms. Love she will tell you that she was not disrespected by the student when the topic was brought to her attention by the student. Please be respectful, it seems this word was lost in our vocabulary.
KJF
8:01 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Before any comments are made on why this student did not write the letter for consideration on his request; he was not told he had to put in a written request on the day he had asked. A voice mail was left for him today to put the request in writing and submit it.
Tonya
8:35 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I don't think it's ok for him to wear military. It's a high school graduation. Should he wear his cap and gown to his military graduation, I don't think so
Dan Hankins
9:07 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
As a Active Duty military member, I can see both sides here. He has a lot of pride in the Uniform, which is a great thing, and should be encourage. He also wants to show off what he's earned to his friends and family. Also a good thing.
The school on the other hand, has policy's in place. Now, as stupid as they may be, they are still school policies.
yvonne carey
3:40 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
This just makes my blood boil. He should be able to wear his uniform!!! He is giving the ultimate sacrifice wich is himself!!! I dont understand what this world has become!!! I also had a similiar thing happen.to me . My son went into the Navy a week before my Daughter was to graduate from.highschool . When I ask our pricipal to read a short letter to my daughter that my son had written to her he said he couldnt do that but would pull her to the side and read it!!!!!!!! I have never been so disappointed in what the USA has become.as a Military Mom Im so Upset by the Non.Support of our Military!!!!!!
Cuidado Con EL Lobo
9:09 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
he did the RIGHT thing and he stood up for the marines.. though some people don't like what he did.. i do and that takes courage.. i would have done the same thing.. like he said It's not about the clothes, it's about the principle." i stood up in h.s for what i believe in and if anyone doesn't like it they know where to go.. what the crap is wrong with the country that they don't allow the marines to walk across the stage?? this is stupid and messed up.. does the school not care about their freedom cause it seems to me is that they don't and others don't.. the troops fight every day and night for ours.. they don't have breaks like we do.. and this article just makes me mad that we have ignorant people in this country
yomammy
8:56 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Assuming he passes boot camp, he WILL be a Marine walking across the stage...A Marine in the required dress for the event.
Liz Staberg
9:14 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
The "long standing past practice" goes back to 1943 when my grandfather James Staberg set the precedent and walked in his military uniform. Sorry Hudson High School you're wrong on this one.
Scott Erlenborn
3:30 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Always good to know the history of the issue in this community - thanks for posting.
Joe Atwell
9:40 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
I think you all need to reread the original post. You are all beating this soon to be Marine to death with your comments. He has been given an order by his superiors not to wear his uniform. He is following his orders. He sounds like an amazing individual that is doing the right thing and the honorable thing. It was his sister that pushed the issue . Stop blaming him. He asked questions, excepted the answers and is following his orders. It was his sister that didn't like the answers given and pursued it. So now remove your heads from your fourth point of contact and smell the coffee instead of the crap your spreading.
Howard Rutledge
10:10 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
The young man needs to submit his request in writing per policy and then we will see what happens. it's a little premature to be upset at the principal if the boy hasn't bothered to follow the correct procedural request. That's what the Marine Corps is all about, following the rules and procedures.
Diana Hall
10:43 pm on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Can't believe all the yes votes on this matter. Wondering the age of most voters. We all have rules to follow in life. It starts early until the day we die. We use to get punished for not following the rules. They were set in place for a reason. Graduation is a 13 year process that is well deserved in these time when a lot of kids are dropping out. No disrespect to our military. But there is a time and place for everything. This is the time to be proud of graduation and show your accomplishment with fellow class mates and that door will be closed. Society is always wanting to break the rules for their agenda. Voted No!
Adam Ridley
12:17 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Wear everything but your cover. Put the gown on. Walk and take your diploma. Immediately pull off the gown and display the dress. Find a way to put your cover under your gown.
yomammy
7:02 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
bad plan---"look at me"... thats a no-go.
Pat.
12:19 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
The Marine dress blues are to be worn while on duty or in attendence of a military function. His graduation ceremony doesn't meet those requirements. The policy of both organizations involved states that he shouldn't wear it! Just because military service is an issue close to the collective heart of Hudson doesn't mean he should be permitted to do so. Come on, people. Think a little bit more with your head than your gut.
Dan Hankins
6:31 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
nope, sorry, try again.
Military dress uniforms in general, and in the USMC specifically, are the only uniforms that are allowed to be worn at almost all functions (providing that doing so won't bring discredit on the branch.)
A.j. Simkatu
11:39 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Tis true. If he was supposed to a wear a uniform to an event, then he'd be wearing the dress blue uniform. However this event is not one of (1) Parades, ceremonies, reviews, solemnities, and entertainments when the commander/senior officer present desires to pay special honors to the occasion. (2) Official visits of, or to, United States civil officials, officers of the United States Armed Forces, and officials/officers of foreign governments, according to chapter 12, U.S. Navy Regulations. or (3) Receptions given by, or in honor of, officials/officers listed in chapter 12, U.S. Navy Regulations.
In fact, he has been specifically directed not to wear a uniform of any kind to the ceremonies, because everyone will be wearing a traditional cap and gown. If he were to ask his commanding officer what he should do, he would quickly find out that he should either attend in the cap and gown or skip the function. Real Marines respect the civilian authorities and respect their civilian commander.
KJF
6:17 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Pat you are incorrect on your when/where post on wearing the Marine dress blues. You may want to research that topic.
yomammy
7:08 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
I have the feeling he will get some lessons in uniformity in basic :)
Just walk dude. In traditional gowns. All the right people will know what you accomplished anyway.
David Faulkner
9:00 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
I have a lot of support for our military and have donated care packages to them, but on the other hand, there's still a school policy. If he's not going to walk if he doesn't get his way, then why not just have your diploma mailed to you?
Navy Momma Bear
9:20 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
I am a Navy daughter, Navy wife and Navy mom. I am a huge supporter of those who have chosen to join our military. Anyone that knows me will be surprised at my answer. I am fully supporting the school on this one - sorry. Most of those in uniform know when the proper time is to wear their uniform. You should be proud of it, of course. HOWEVER, this is not the time. This is about your class AS A WHOLE, not you as an individual. We are not the only school to have this issue.
Here is another view from another Military Mom:
thestir.cafemom.com/teen/121638/military_uniforms_dont_belong_onstage
Mac - You will be wearing your uniforms a lot. We ALL thank you for your service and hope that you remain safe during and after your training, especially as you get deployed.
But please, wear your cap and gown and be part of your class. It WILL be the last time.
Bill Gilman
9:27 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
A Marine never looks to draw attention to himself. A Marine is a member of something larger than himself. I believe this young man is off track in his thinking. There is no reason he cannot wear his uniform under his car and gown and be part of the ceremony. "It's just not that important to me" kind of tells the whole story. He doesnt want to participate to be part of the graduation class. He only wants to participate if he can say, "hey look at me, I'm a Marine." To do anything to "stand out" and draw attention or personal accolades is very un-Marine. He seems like a really good kid. I think his C/O needs to have a heart to heart with him and get him back on track.
Michael E Schnebly
9:47 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Very well said!
A.j. Simkatu
11:41 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Amen!
Navy Momma Bear
11:44 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
And as another Marine just reminded me, he is just going into the Corps. Mac will learn what the uniform regulations are...never go uncovered outdoors, never cover the uniform. I don't think that it is the issue of the young man but those around him who are proud of him. We all are. I hope that he will provide HHS with a picture for the Wall of Honor that we have by the auditorium.
Cat
10:44 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I agree. As a proud supporter of a young Marine, and who personally attended his boot camp graduation, I can clearly state that the Marines are all about the group, and being as one. No one person stood out. It took us forever to locate our Marine, and that was after he had told us where to look! This kid's attitude of refusing to walk after not being allowed to stand out seems completely wrong, and definitely NOT the Marine attitude. Don't worry, folks! He'll either get his attitude straightened out during boot camp, and be right as rain by June, ready to walk and take part by the rules of the school, or else he has larger attitude issues going on, and may not make it through boot camp. Not every recruit becomes a Marine!
A-
10:24 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
As much as I have disagreed with Mrs. Love, I stand by her on this decision. This is a high school graduation, everyone else has to wear the same thing; no one else gets to stand out. Each person in out graduating class has their own story, but graduation isn't about us as individuals. It's about our class as a whole. I respect this guy for his commitment to his country, but there's many other places/events to wear his dress blues. We all have plans for our futures, and we've all had different experiences in high school. But graduation isn't the time to advertise them save that for grad parties.
Carbon Bigfuut
10:45 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
Does the HHS graduation ceremony have a part where they would recognize special accomplishments such as this? Would that be an acceptable alternative?
John holms
11:11 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
So, if he does wear his dress uniform to the graduation you have now set a standard for other students to wear what they want to graduation. Should we let an Eagle Scout wear his uniform to graduation? How about a trans gender wear a Ball Gown to graduation? Why not keep with tradition as it is.
A.j. Simkatu
11:33 am on Monday, March 11, 2013
He is a selfish person for even suggesting that he receive special privileges. This is a time to focus on the high school graduation, not your other life priorities. The focus is not on your impending career.
I don't want to see future college students wearing their school's mascot to graduate. I don't want to see future firemen or police dressing up in their uniforms either.
And if this whining little baby can't even follow the simple rules his school made for graduation, then he's not going to have a very long career in the Marines. Marines respect authority. This child doesn't and shouldn't be allowed to attend the ceremonies until he gets his head on straight.
Lindsey Frank
5:18 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I am sorry but you are very rude and inconsiderate. You do know that you are talking about another human being that has feelings, correct? He does not want this to draw attention. He and his sister both wanted to put a foot down and see if this could be any progress. We know plenty of other people that would have liked to wear their uniforms if their opportunity was given to them. Please reconsider your words as you are talking about someone else.
Mick
12:39 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
The "uniform" for the graduation ceremony at HHS is the cap and gown.
Vested Interest
1:00 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
There are days when it amazes me just how much things change in such a short time span. Being ex-Navy and having served during a time when it wasn't very popular to be seen in uniform or to even admit you were part of one of the Armed Services, I can't help but simpathize with the recurit (to some extent.) For those old enough to remember, think back or read how our military personnel were treated when coming back from Vietnam. They were spit on, and called traitors and fools. We were told NOT to wear our uniforms both here at home, and especially abroad, for our own safety. Believe me, it wasn't a great feeling.
This young man has made a commitment unlike any others walking up to that stage to be recognized. He has signed on the dotted line turning over his life to something much bigger than himself - an act that cannot be undone without a personal cost that will follow him for a very long time.
The high school graduation ceremory is about accomplishments and if this young man makes it through boot camp, it should be recognized accordingly. It will be harder than any course any other student in that line has taken and passed. The school doesn't seem to have any problem letting other students wear gold braids and other designations showing they have excelled above others. I say, let him wear the uniform, provided he has permission from his CO. He's no longer a Hudson high school student - he's a Marine!!
yomammy
1:05 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
And the uniform of the day for that particular SCHOOL GRADUATION is cap and gown.
Vested Interest
1:13 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
And the uniform of the day is determined by the Commanding Officer, and not some school administrator.
yomammy
1:23 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
And the "commanding officer" of the HIGH SCHOOL graduation ceremony is the Principal.
Kari
1:33 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Yes, the high school graduation ceremony is indeed about accomplishments...in high school. That is why the honor students wear cords - to signify their high school accomplishments. This young man will be recognized for his efforts as a Marine, during his boot camp graduation and probably many other ceremonies in the future.
Vested Interest
1:55 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
The school's position seems to fly in the face of what the recruiter said. "As a recruiter, these young people were never hard to find in the Hudson Community. I came to find a lot in common with the people of the Hudson community: Hard workers who love their families above all else. A community that never waivers in their support of our young men and women in uniform. And a community for which these kids long to return to when their days wearing the uniform are done. A community they love to call home."
Yeah, we can all see how far "that never waviers" part goes now.
Scott Erlenborn
10:45 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Vested, You can't argue on the other thread that the school district failed to honor the land use authority of the city commission, and then argue here that the same school district doesn't have the authority to set policy with regrads to it's OWN graduation ceremony. It's the SAME principle! You just seem to loathe our school district's administration whether they're coming or going. That said I thank you for your service to our country and I regret any mistreatment that you may have received upon your return from Vietnam. It was a very ugly chapter in American history - about as ugly as the Joe McCarthy era witchhunt that seems to be repeating itself here toward Ms. Love. The lack of respect, decency and common courtesy then and now is truly, truly shameful. Those of you here who are attacking Ms. Love for simply doing her duty are akin to those who spit upon our soldiers returning from Vietnam who like Ms. Love fufilled their duty in the face of great public criticism. Well played Hudson, well played.
Vested Interest
9:03 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
@Scott - I believe you misinterpret the direction of my frustration. No where here have I called out Ms. Love specifically. She is doing nothing more than following the policies as defined in the district's manual. Those policies, each and every one, have been put together by the administration, which are then approved by the board. Since we've had such a long history of rubber stamp boards, there has been little opposition or questioning of the policies. My point with "loathing this administration", as you say, is the fact that at every other opportunity they make sure to go out of their way to give themselves accolades and praise. Now here comes graduation, a formal time when they should be showing off the product they have produced and what message do we get? It sure isn't one of pride in civil service.
The CO of the Marines is not going to let any recruit disrupt a school function. If the school says no, the answer is no, period. It is the community which should be demanding he wear his uniform. He's a product of our tax dollar and I'd rather see what it has achieved at that point in time instead of hearing what they (the administration) hopes the graduates to be.
My opinion is, we paid for that uniform, and if someone has achieved the privilege as a high school student to wear it, I want to see it standing on the field. If your going to say he's no longer a student, then give him his diploma now and wave him good-bye.
Vested Interest
9:12 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
@Scott - I also want to make it clear that I didn't serve in Vietnam, but during that time. I wouldn't want to put myself at the same level as those who endured that hell. The early 70's was a bad time to be caught in any kind of uniform.
Scott Erlenborn
1:52 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
This has become such bad PR for the military at this point, he'll be ordered to wear a cap and gown whether the school district amends it's policy or not. Of all the places that I would expect you would want to fly under the radar - Marine bootcamp would be #1 on my list. He starts today I believe and I wish him well.
Money Bagger
2:06 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I support this young man's desire to express his pride on becoming a Marine!
So why not let him attach the Marine Emblem to the top of his Graduation Cap?
http://hdwallpapersdirectory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/marine-corps-logo.jpg
Problem solved.
We wouldn't want to exercise any common sense here now would we?
But this Tea Parties crowd wouldn't be satisfied unless this graduate
were allow to not only wear his Marine uniform but carry a loaded AR-15 as well!
yomammy
2:17 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
that would be OK probably- as long as its not a official uniform-worn emblem/badge.
What does the tea party have to do with any of this?
Scout_612
3:53 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Lets not get carried away about this kid's great sacrifice yet. He's only signed a piece of paper and taken a plane ride at this point. No one is trying to shame a Medal of Honor winner but rather maintain uniformity for a kid who wants to be an individual. Not something condoned in the military.
Michael E Schnebly
5:09 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I agree. This is bordering on Troop Worship. We are quickly becoming a military society willing to garrison the world.
Mark
3:56 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Given that the Marine Corps specifically stated that it is their policy to follow the practice of the event, this should not have become an issue. Mac was going to let the issue drop but his sister is pushing it. If he doesn't care enough about the graduation ceremony to follow the rules he doesn't have to attend. His choice, not anybody else's.
A Viet Nam Vet.
Riley
4:01 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
So the situation is this; Laura Love is a lovely principal and person. The lack of intelligence and respect in the comment feed is a disappointment. First off America is not a country. The United States of America, U.S.A, U.S, and the United States are proper names for the country we live in. "America" is the name of a continent that should be preceded with "north" or "south". So if you said "America" referring to The United States of America, or "Ms. Love should be fired" and you do not personally know her please get your facts straight you are an embarrassment to this community.
Michael E Schnebly
5:12 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I'm embarrassed by reading your condescending post.
Riley
8:32 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
Intentionally so. This is really a worthless debate. Think of it this way: There are pros and cons to this situations. From what I've gathered, the pros for allowing the uniform to be worn include the following: Military appreciation, and status recognition. Cons being: Attept to stand out at a uniform event, and recognizing one student over the rest. The pros for restricting dress seem to be these: A uniform graduation, recogniton of a class not to be over shadowed by a single student. Cons being: causing the communtiy to be divided (which would happen if it were allowed as well), and failing to recognize a student's achievement. That is what I have gathered from all this. The reality of the situation is this: No matter what is said here, or anywhere else, the decision will not change. I know the principal and I know the administration, and they do not bend rules for one student. They especially don't if they have already said no. No matter what anyones opinion is, the decision won't change. Maybe that is good, maybe it is bad, but it sure isn't changing. Graduation will always be a bout the class exiting the high school as a unit, that is just the way it is.
David
9:51 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I hate to say this but.............he shouldn't wear Dress Blues for his high school graduation. For one thing he didn't go to boot camp and passed in order to become a Marine yet! You are only allowed to wear dress blues when you went through boot camp and passed in order to wear the Eagle, Globe and Anchor and be called a Marine! You just can't wear the uniform because you are thinking that you might want to join or is scheduled to go in! You have to deserve it!!
Me
11:22 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Did you read the story?
Mac Hamlin worked hard to meet all the requirements to earn his Hudson High diploma a full semester early, and he's set to ship off for Marine Corps recruit training on Monday. If all goes according to schedule, he plans to complete boot camp and be back in Hudson for the June 15 graduation ceremony.
peter
6:05 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
i wonder if the marines would allow him to wear his high school cap and gown to his boot camp graduation. i doubt it. does that make them commies? does in my book!
Mark
7:30 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I am curious about your statement vs. the statement by the Marines themselves, i.e. follow the school rules and where the cap and gown, not the uniform. Why would that make "them" commies? And, as earlier stated, you cannot cover the uniform so he should not, as you next propose, wear the uniform under the gown.
peter
5:01 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Mark, clearly sarcasm is lost on you. My comments are directed at the half wits who think the principle (sic) is unamerican for following the rules set forth by the school board. The later comment was, again, a poke in the eye to those who obviously don't know what they're talking about.
Mark
5:25 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Sorry, Peter. It was too subtle for me. I apologize.
peter
6:32 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
did it ever occur to any of you geniuses that he could wear whatever he wants to UNDER his cap and gown? even just for a second? gee, i guess not.
yomammy
7:36 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
and your point is?
peter
6:36 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
why is it that some people feel ENTITLED to live by a different set of standards and rules? ok, the kid is going to be a marine. good for him. does that mean he doesn't have to follow the rules all the other kids have to follow? what's next? should a kid be allowed to wear anything they like?
Captain Midnight
11:06 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Peter... it's all about "liberty" and "freedoms". The people screaming about Ms. Love's administering the policies of HHS. She didn't write these policie; they were in place before she came to the District.
To refer to her as "Un-American" is simply McCartyism .... smear, smear, smear. They are nothing short of mini-Fascists.
This kid has been used and abused by all of this talk. High School graduations are just for that; not for the future. If this kid chooses to be a Marine, power to him. However, that does not make him "special". Millions of others have worn the uniforms of the US Military Services; this guy is no better than any other of those millions.
I hope this becomes a "learning moment" for him. It is not the time to "show off" or to call attention to himself. Good luck to him.
Scott Erlenborn
8:24 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Well said Captain. I like how you think.
Aaron
10:08 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
So did the student ever submit a request in writing?
Tanya K
6:34 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Yes he did and was denied
yomammy
8:03 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Good for him for following the procedure though.
Ellen Faherty
11:27 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Mac--Best Wishes and Good Luck. You will make a fine Marine. Always stick with your principles. You are doing the right thing. Ms Love and the rest of the school board can't understand the importance and stature that should be awarded to those that serve us. There are more of us than there are of them. They just have the microphone.
yomammy
7:40 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Um, no. You obviously dont understand ANYTHING about being a Marine or the military. You dont get to do what you want whenever you want.
If he CHOOSES to not attend graduation... its OK. Lots of people dont.
Tanya K
6:24 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Mac,
Thank you so much for showing your respectful character as well as respect for asking to wear your colors, now you come back in June and walk with your head held high and show this insensitve no- good woman you are the bigger person! You will make all of our community PROUD as you already have!
CONGRADS!
Tanya K
6:26 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
White Uniforms for "Girls" Blue Uniform for "Boys". Your not sexist are you Mrs. Love?
yomammy
7:41 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
???????
wow.
HHF34
4:27 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
My thought EXACTLY!!!!! She claims that a student requesting to wear his military dress (a Marine is not seen as a male/female, only a Marine - and no, he should be wearing the cap/gown like everyone else because there is no individuality in the corp) is inappropriate but then says girls have to wear one color and boys another??? Yes, it is sexist. Why shouldn't the boys be wearing white or are they trying to send a "purity" of white message. All graduates should be in the same uniform color regardless. What happens to the gay individual who aligns themselves with the other more, but alas, there are "rights" organizations that will step in for that student's preference instead of their genetic chromosomes and the school will cave in faster than a sinkhole to avoid that kind of publicity...
yomammy
8:01 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
I have read through most/all these comments... Its funny.
Seems every prior military member thinks its a bad idea pursuing this...just saying.
CJ
9:06 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
For some of you rambling aimlessly and incoherently lets get some facts straight. First off Principal Laura Love can not and may I say again can not give permission to a student requesting permission to wear a different uniform at graduation, she does not have that authority. Lets do some research. Secondly unamerican and/or anti american? That is so beyond depressing to listen to a bunch of ill educated people start accusations of that. If Mac submits a written request to the board of education it is then in turn up to them and only THEM after that. I dont know how some of you can sit behind a computer and say some of these things in your pretty little enviorment that is safe and secure because people like Mac are willing to travel across an ocean to run around in +100 degree heat and willing to kick down a door to be ambushed or jump in front of a bullet just so some of you can sit on an internet website and do this. Laura Love is anti american, are you kidding? Mac asked a simple question to wear something he has pride in and half of you are ridculing him for defending your freedom, I guess thats one way of saying thanks for giving your life so I can live mine.
Greg Dasovic
12:28 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
We follow orders son or people die, its as simple as that! You want the truth? You cant handle the truth!
Semper Fi Marine!
Nam Vet 67-68
Michael E Schnebly
12:46 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
We support the troops and we honor the troops but we should never worship the troops. Our troops deserve our respect but when it comes to the point where troops thinks they deserve to be honored just for serving then their ego and their pride has indeed grown too large. Hopefully boot camp will sort this out for him.
bblair
3:20 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
When service was compulsory or when the draft was in place those individuals truly were worthy of high praise and reward. The volunteer army is just that, everyone made an informed decision to serve their country knowing what could happen. While exercising their benefits they could be ordered to serve in times of war. So to say the men are putting it on the line for us is a little much, they chose to serve. If you can’t take the heat don’t volunteer for Iraq…
Michael E Schnebly
8:38 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
Exactly right bblair.
Vested Interest
1:28 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
I find it rather hypocritical of those who play this "troop worship" card. What do you think a graduation ceremony is? It's education worship!! If your going to play the worship game - then at least broaden the worship to the accomplishments earned.
Loren Knyphausen
11:54 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013
As a former Marine I walked my high school graduation in a Marine Corp uniform, I wore my cap and gown over my uniform and everybody was happy. My advise to Mac is the Marine Corp does not give out Dress Blue's, there earned, you don't have them yet and you need to make that your number one priority and graduate boot camp. Good Luck, you made a great decision in joining an organization second to none.
Tanya K
3:27 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013
What a debate! I still say let him walk and be proud of him for earning his Blues and working so hard to graduate early as well as being such a responsible young man. Lets hope Laura feels good with her decision or perhaps likes being persuaded by Mary . I'm still proud of you Mac!!!!
Michael E Schnebly
10:24 am on Monday, March 18, 2013
Maybe this shouldn’t be called “Hudson Graduation” but instead called “Hey look at Mac” or “Mac is a Marine” celebration? When our country's war machine gets more attention than our children get for graduating High School... well, what can you say? This town is losing it's soul.