'Uplifting, Promising': MSP Residents React to State of the Union

From Punch Pizza shout-outs to Army heroes, the speech provided plenty of fodder for Twin Cities residents to discuss.

Twin Cities social media was aflame Tuesday night following President Barack Obama’s State of the Union Address. Here’s a look at what people thought of the speech.

David Hansen February 16, 2014 at 07:44 PM
Who keeps asking for more, Bob? Let's consider immigration. A majority of Americans -- 81% in the most recent CNN poll -- support granting citizenship to illegal immigrants meeting certain qualifications, as well as enhanced border controls. The Republican Party leadership in Congress suggested a comprehensive reform package that would create a 13-year waiting period for citizenship coupled with with tougher enforcement. Most Democrats were willing to accept this compromise. But then the Republican leadership bowed to Tea Party activists and took away any prospect of a special path to citizenship, no matter how long immigrants waited. In spite of Democrat opposition, President Obama said he was “encouraged” by the proposal. So what happened? A few days later, Boehner explained that even his new plan was a nonstarter and immigration reform was dead. Because once Obama is for something, it’s their duty to be against it.
Rick February 16, 2014 at 11:34 PM
David, we all know polls are a joke. And you nailed it when you said "meeting certain qualifications." That is simply a joke. Qualifications such as??? Learning to speak English? Paying a penalty (BFD, once they're citizens, any penalty they pay will be gone like a puff of smoke since they will immediately qualify for SSI, ACA and every other benefit one could think of. And strengthening border security. Seriously??? Liberals love to tout that, but when there's an increase of law enforcement on the border (and yes, I favor putting our military along the border as well) the liberals start screaming racism, profiling, unfair to "those poor poor people just looking to make ends meet." What a crock. And to naturalized citizens such as myself, who waited in line, OBEYED THE LAW, checked all of the boxes and did it right, amnesty is a kick in the groin. It's an insult. No one has the right to violate our sovereignty, our borders and our laws. It simply baffles me that liberals think that this is perfectly fine.
Rick February 16, 2014 at 11:56 PM
For Gods sake Joyce, before you make an absolute *** out of yourself, take off the rose colored glasses and check out the FACTS. This is exactly what I meant about your seething hatred of anything Conservative. When presented with facts, you either blow them off or change the subject. I simply asked you to go check the UN resolutions after the cease fire of the Gulf War. Bill Clinton did absolutely nothing to enforce these (which btw is why I want us out of that fraudulent organization) resolutions. Oh yeah, Mr. Bigshot sent in a few cruise missiles here and there, bfd. Real scary. My squadron happened to be one of the units tasked with enforcing the no fly zone. Our guys were getting not only surface to air radar contact, but missile lock, a direct violation of one of the resolutions of which destroying the missile battery/radar site was allowed, yet Bill Clinton refused our guys request to take it out. To provide you with an analogy, this would be the same as someone pointing a gun at someone else with a laser on it and that person a: not knowing if the guy with the gun was going to pull the trigger, b: if the gun was even loaded, or c:pulling the trigger. As usual, I ask you to look up the resolutions. I figure you like to provide links, so maybe you'll actually enjoy reading some of the gunk on the UN's website plus you'd learn the precurser to the Iraq War. You also wrote above "The same way we were dealing with him before we decided to invade a country that was no threat to us and destabilize an entire region, creating more terrorism and more anti-Americanism in the process." I can very confidently assume that you have never been to that area of the Middle East. I would suggest you visit some of the countries over there before you make comments such as the one of yours I just quoted. Despite what the star and sickle likes to buffalo people with, Iraq is now fairly stable. I might add it would be a helluva a lot more stable had Obama left troops there, but what's done is done. despite more garbage spewed from the redstar, we have a dynamic presence in the Middle East. Hussein was an absolute pig, an animal. And his scumbag son's were worse. Find some ex-virgins that Uday or Qusay raped then threw back into the street for a little homegrown testimony. Talk with a man who exercised a little "free talk." Except that guy can't talk with you because his tongue is missing. My brothers and sisters died over there Joyce. But the ones who sacrificed, they sacrificed with honor and the knowledge that they rid the world of some pretty nasty animals.
David Hansen February 17, 2014 at 08:45 AM
Rick, you love to play both side of the fence, don't you? You demand, "Check out the FACTS," yet dismiss a poll with 81% support for illegal immigrants becoming citizens. That's a little beyond any margin of error to simply disqualify it because you don't like the numbers. And how ironic that all this flag-waving, chest-puffing, Mom and apple pie patriotic opposition to immigrants is coming from an immigrant himself. If it wasn't for my ancestors, who go back to 1632 in Hampton, New Hampshire, you wouldn't have a country to call home. Don't you dare refer to "our sovereignty, our borders and our laws," as if you did anything to establish them, you poser.
David Hansen February 17, 2014 at 08:56 AM
Rick actually wrote: "Despite what the star and sickle likes to buffalo people with, Iraq is now fairly stable." --------- I think Iraqis and most of the rest of the world would strongly disagree with your batsh*t crazy assessment, Rick. Knowing how much you love FACTS, how about these? The level of violence in Iraq has spiked back up to levels last seen in 2008. More than 8,000 Iraqis died last year, including nearly 1,000 members of the security forces. More than 1,000 people were killed in January alone. That was the highest death toll since April 2008. Scores of bodies have been dumped in canals and palm groves in recent months. The heads of three Sunnis were found Feb. 9 in a market in northern Salaheddin province, while six Shiites were shot dead in the province after being questioned about their religious affiliation, officials said. The carnage has raised concerns that the Shiite militias that stalked members of the minority Sunni population in the dark days of 2006 and 2007 could be remobilizing, in response to attacks by Sunni extremists. Other than that, though, things are just peachy.
Rick February 17, 2014 at 11:24 AM
Seriously David? So your ancestors arrived here in 1632 and that automatically grants you some sort of lordship? Please. My argument is for LEGAL immigration. Something myself and family and millions of others have accomplished. And I say accomplished because that's exactly what it is. Doing it legally IS an accomplishment that naturalized citizens cherish. Don't you dare question my patriotism or love of country Mr. Hansen. How dare you. I came here an immigrant. I served 8 years United States Navy, 3 years overseas service, 5 years in a fighter squadron in one of the most dangerous occupations in the service, on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier. I also put myself through college earning both Associates and Bachelors degrees in two different disciplines all the while paying for the entire ticket on my own. That's called individual responsibility. Owning one's own actions. Succeeding from the sweat of one's own labors. Something liberals have a hard time grasping as they love the redistribution scheme. You, Joyce and nearly every other liberal are masters at the liberal playbook. You decry violence in Iraq, and your numbers are disputable btw, much of the violence you talk of is yes, sunni/shia related, but it is sects of those broader groups killing one another, not a bunch of innocents out for a picnic and getting slaughtered. Of course you will minimalize my comment and say there should be no homocides/violence, of which I agree. However it was Obama who pulled the troops way to early. Argue all you want and blame Bush, but Obama ran, won, and new this freight train was on the tracks. This is on his hands. Call me every name in the book. Poser, a*(%^ole, whatever makes you happy. Facts are facts. Since you want to dispute them, have YOU gone and looked at the UN's website? Do you agree with an open border policy that allows for human trafficking, drug running, murder, rapes of females trying to come to this country? If the border were sealed, it would make it much more difficult for those folks who truly want to violate our borders to come here and expose themselves to the violence wouldn't it? It would also keep drugs such as heroin, meth and cocaine/crack and marijuana off the streets and the associated crime, wouldn't it?
Joyce February 17, 2014 at 11:35 AM
Rick wrote: ' However it was Obama who pulled the troops [out of Iraq] way to early. ' ---------- Note the date the SOFA was signed; oh, right - before Obama was sworn in: ------------- http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/SOFA-11-19-08.pdf --------------- As for your comment, 'If the border were sealed, it would make it much more difficult for those folks who truly want to violate our borders to come here and expose themselves to the violence wouldn't it?' --------------------- How do you propose sealing our borders? You do realize, don't you, that a substantial number of undocumented immigrants came here legally and then overstayed their visas. Should we ban student and tourist visas? Do you want the Canadian border sealed as well? It is a FACT that about 11 million people currently living and working in the United States are undocumented; it is a FACT that many businesses rely on those people as workers; it is a FACT that undocumented immigrants pay taxes even though they do not benefit from the programs, such as social security, funded by the taxes they pay; it is a FACT that deporting 11 million people is impossible and deporting them would seriously disrupt our economy. We have to deal with FACTS, Rick; an arduous path to citizenship, a path which would put the undocumented immigrants at the END OF THE LINE for citizenship, require them to pay hefty fees, require them to prove they have been employed and paying taxes the entire time they were here, require them to prove they have violated no laws while they were here, is a viable and reasonable solution to the FACTS.
Edward Anderson February 17, 2014 at 12:42 PM
Rick regaled us with this gem: "I also put myself through college earning both Associates and Bachelors degrees in two different disciplines all the while paying for the entire ticket on my own. That's called individual responsibility. Owning one's own actions. Succeeding from the sweat of one's own labors. Something liberals have a hard time grasping as they love the redistribution scheme." Did you actually pay for college out of your own pocket, Rick? Or did you pay for it out of *my* pocket through that massive redistribution scheme called the GI Bill?
Edward Anderson February 17, 2014 at 01:18 PM
I'm so sorry, Roy! Am I misinformed about where GI Bill money comes from? My impression was that the GI Bill was funded with federal taxes. As such, it represents money that I earned, that DC says I have to give to them, and which is subsequently redistributed to whomever the government deems is more deserving than I. Frankly, I'm good with it; least we can do for our service men and women. Now you have absolutely no idea with whom you are conversing, yet, you spew this bilious vitriol, unconcerned whether your assumptions have any basis whatsoever in reality. Bravo, Roy, bravo. Keep the faith, brother.
Keith O. February 17, 2014 at 03:22 PM
16 years in the military Rick? How did you not benefit from "redistribution"? I served in the Guard and I know what kind of government support and benefits are available to those in the military. American taxpayers paid your salary and benefits for your family for housing, health and education. And now we're on the hook for your retirement. Individual responsibility? The only individual responsibility you've shown is to move to this country where you could suck off the teat of the government. I think neither liberals or conservatives have a hard time grasping the extreme lack of self awareness you're exhibiting. What a joke!
Rick February 17, 2014 at 03:23 PM
Yep, just another liberal ploy of "change the subject, slam the messenger." Apparently Ed, you don't seem to understand what "out of pocket" means. It means I paid the ENTIRE ticket myself. Tuition and books. If you want to get into state and federal funding for the colleges I went to, well, I guess you've got me there big guy. As a matter of fact, I HAD contributed to the GI Bill while I was in, except the program was horrible. For every $ I contributed, the DoD put in $2. It had a maximum contribution amount, and ironically some of the community colleges I went to for my generals did not fall under their accredidation standards. Here's the irony... My four year college, which the tuition board did approve of tuition assistance, also accepted all of the credits earned at the community college that I went to that the DoD did not approve of. Hence, I cashed out of the program. I truly hope that this meets your approval. You might also want to think about what you may "assume" someone else did next time you attempt to trap them hence you'll appear to look like what the first three letters of assume is.
Edward Anderson February 17, 2014 at 03:33 PM
Is ad hominem the best you have, Roy? Because it's really not worth my time to respond to name-calling, bile-spewing, content-free nonsense like that.
Rick February 17, 2014 at 03:33 PM
Roy, Roy, c'mon brother, give these poor folks a break. The Obamaites and their worshippers love to preach that they know of sacrifice, but having never experienced it themselves, well, you know. It's nice to pretend. The real issues anyhow are the Iraq War and Obama's forfeiture of responsibility of that. Benghazi, essentially letting out guys swing, including a sitting Ambassador who was one of Hillary's fav's. Failed stimulus packages, QE1, QE2, QE3 and waiting for the s**t to hit the fan on that one (liberals may like to chest thump regarding how well the market is doing. The chest thumping will stop when they realize "WHY" the market is doing so well). Anemic growth. Had it not been for state and federal hiring, unemployment would actually be worse. A mortgage industry that still can't find it's footing. Maybe Joyce can explain that one for us since Paul Krugman read the tea leaves and predicted the bubble would burst back in 2005, or maybe Paul actually did some research after the 2002 testimony before Congress that FMFM and the backed securites of the housing market were on the road to tank. And those same folks who testified were soundly derided by liberal congressional members as being biased and targeting minorities (a velied shot at being outright called racists) yet it was Bill Clintons policies that got that entity where it was. So keep it up libs. Point fingers, attack myself, Roy, conservatism. Knock yourselves out. Our redemption will be sitting back watching the wrecking ball called liberalism slowly bleed your and my country to death. Then the pain of the correction may, and I mean just may, open your eyes. That's if you all have the wherewithal to actually admit you were wrong rather than continue to point fingers and blame.
Rick February 17, 2014 at 03:41 PM
Apparently liberals have a hard time reading what Conservatives write. 8 years Keith. As plain as day written above. Your comments aren't even worth responding to. The absolute ignorance shown by you is unbelievable. What's even more baffling is you claim to have served in the Guard? Your comments quite simply are a disgrace, insultive to my service and flat out disgusting. I truly question your claim to service as like I mentioned above, I find comments such as yours from a fellow veteran as completely baffling. I will henceforth refuse to acknowledge any more of your insultive posts.
Edward Anderson February 17, 2014 at 03:43 PM
Rick, I just asked the question. No assumption at all. Except yours, big guy. Sorry the Bill didn't work out for you. That must have been a frustrating situation. But then, you were military, you were probably used to that sort of thing. Might I ask why you didn't just go to the 4-year college in the first place? Was it less out-of-pocket to do it the way you did it, than to go to a 4-year with the DoD's assistance?
David Hansen February 17, 2014 at 05:28 PM
Rick, since "facts are facts," could you please let us know which facts are actually the facts? Since you seem to think "all polls are a joke" and "your numbers are disputable btw," what sources other than national and international journalism do you find acceptable? Probably just right-wing talking points (like the lies about Benghazi) that support your arguments. And my point about my ancestors is a valid one. The 15 generations of my family who have been in this country since before its founding, fought in every war, served in public office and succeeded in business made it possible for you to have the freedoms and opportunities to get a leg up in life. Your ancestors did nothing for me. Your absolute disrespect for the social contract you entered into when you became a citizen is disgusting. Do you really want to be on the side of xenophobic conservatives who would just as soon see an end to immigration, legal or otherwise? If it weren't for liberal attitudes and open-mindedness, you wouldn't even be here.
Edward Anderson February 17, 2014 at 05:42 PM
More content-free name-calling from Roy. I guess that really *is* the best he can do.
Joyce February 17, 2014 at 06:03 PM
Rick wrote: 'Had it not been for state and federal hiring, unemployment would actually be worse.' ------------ Wrongo; the public sector grew during Bush's term (up 1,748,000 jobs), but the public sector has declined since Obama took office (down 718,000 jobs): ------------- http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pi3q7K4IP9E/UX0t-p6dYYI/AAAAAAAAZ-w/MWTiv628FZk/s1600/PulbicBushObama.jpg -------- In fact, most of the job creation during Obama's tenure in office has been in the private sector; the loss of public sector jobs (shrinking government) is actually holding back the recovery.
Rick February 17, 2014 at 06:07 PM
Roy, you're posts are disappearing, but I am in total agreement having read them on my email post notification. I'm done here brother. At least there are a few of these folks on the left who are well aware quite a few of us are not going to fold and cave to their nonsense. If it weren't for the media being in Obama's pocket and they actually did their job reporting the truth instead of injesting their daily fill of presidential meatlog, there wouldn't even have been conversations such as this.
David Hansen February 17, 2014 at 06:16 PM
Can't take the heat, Rick? Or the truth? Sounds like you're folding to me. And if you want to take Roy's side on anything, you're truly teaming up with an incompetent windbag. He's got a habit of deleting his own posts and calling foul in order to get attention and sympathy. Sort of the Munchhausen's syndrome of posting.
Bob February 17, 2014 at 06:58 PM
David, David. Myself, am for immigration reform.. First we secure OUR borders. But really what part of illegal don't you understand? And what part of sovereignty, borders, language, and culture don't you get? Do you just want to open up our borders, no process, no penalties, all the benefits? How about the immigrants that took the time to come here legally, learned English, our culture, paid taxes. You know assimilated......And the only side I'm taking is the one your prez doesn't uphold. It's called the US Constitution. I'm on the side of individual freedom, and liberty. And yes I know exactly what they mean, and how many have fought and died for those principles. And please look at this country, deficit, unemployment, poverty, terrible education program.....And no I'm not just blaming your beloved Obama. He's had over 5 years, how's it working out. He owns it. Bush was ripped almost daily, not the bamster. Nah he just says, I didn't know, was unaware and the media folds, and so do his supporters. Sorry Bamster lied, people died.
Keith O. February 17, 2014 at 07:07 PM
Bob, you got anything else in your repertoire? Does your pony have another trick? Because every post of yours is basically a rearrangement of the same words and cliches. Except you left out STOP STEALING MY $$$$$ LIBERALS in this one. I love it how it's "our Constitution" but "your prez." Maybe you should read the Constitution to see whose president it is.
David Hansen February 17, 2014 at 07:17 PM
Bob, perhaps you could point out where I said I was for illegal immigration. I mentioned the Republican proposal on immigration that Democrats were willing to accept before the Tea Party forced the Republicans to bag it altogether. Is that the side of individual freedom and liberty that you're on? The one that will do anything to avoid working with this administration to accomplish anything? You also seemed to forget the number of people who died when Bush lied. What exactly was the Obama lie that led to the deaths of anyone? Try citing an independent source please.
Bob February 17, 2014 at 07:27 PM
Hey Keith who supports redistribution of other peoples $, the collective and progressive tax laws. I repeat it because I was stating facts about liberalism, and how dangerous it is and has been to this country. You are all the same, you think you have a right to other peoples $. Pass laws, then don't follow them, because your party and ideologies are for the good of the people. Please Keith, live your life do what you want. But keep your darn hands off other peoples $. It doesn't belong to you. Did you say the same when HW was prez, or did you think it was funny when books were written about killing him, and Bush lied, people died. Daily trashing him in the media. Where were you guys then? Big words from Ben Franklin prior to the Constitution it's self. "A Republic, if you can keep it" They're not just words and cliches. Just can't compete in the arena can you. Wake up, liberalism is a bad disease, now go get your Bamster care and have it looked at. Maybe there might be a cure.
Bob February 17, 2014 at 07:34 PM
Hey Eddy, how dare you now go after active duty, Veterans. Redistribution of wealth? Yes there is definitely cuts that can be made across the board. But to throw a remark like that out really shows your........ Cuts to spending, got 2 to start. Eliminate the dept. of education, and the farm bill. You suck man!! Liberalism sucks. Thanks
Keith O. February 17, 2014 at 08:25 PM
Bob, I know it's easier on your stunted brain to assume that all of the people who disagree with you (a considerable number) are the same. But the fact is, you don't know anything about anyone here. You don't know if I'm a liberal or a libertarian or an independent. You don't know if make $50,000 or $500,000. You don't know if I'm on government assistance or if I give more to charity than you make. The fact is, we all pay taxes. Local, state, federal. When we do, it's not our money anymore. It's entrusted to the people we've elected to decide how it's going to get spent. If we don't like how it's being spent, then we vote for someone else. Railing against some imaginary boogie man you've dubbed the Bamster doesn't serve any purpose except to make you look like an addled nut job.
Edward Anderson February 18, 2014 at 01:06 AM
Wow, Bob! Straw man arguments, ad hominem, and vulgarity all in one post. The Republicans must be proud to have a spokesman of your calibre.
Edward Anderson February 18, 2014 at 01:43 AM
Roy, my friend! Those evil Lie-burullz erased your posts, man! No worries, though: I've got your back. I have all of them saved in my inbox. Would you like me to repost them for you? I will, if you want, because I think you make some excellent rhetorical points that no one should be kept from reading. And you even spelled most of the words right, which impressed the living heck outta me, I can tell you. I'm not sure what, exactly, you were trying to get at when referring to my wife and children, who are not even a part of this conversation and have never done you or your friends any harm, so would it be OK if I reposted that comment so you could explain it? I mean, after all, our good buddy Rick has stated for the public record that he has read these same messages, and is in complete agreement, so what do you say? Shall I repost for you?
Edward Anderson February 19, 2014 at 05:21 PM
Pity. I was looking forward to hearing Roy defend his use of obscenity, his charges of cowardice, his veiled threats of violence, and his disgusting insults toward women and children who are not even a party to this conversation. Next time, I guess.
Todd Laumer April 10, 2014 at 01:40 PM
Republicans may seem like ultimate Scrooges. Many want to slash food stamps, unemployment benefits and just about any program that helps the needy. So they know nothing about poverty, right? Wrong. Actually, conservatives have been proved right about three big ideas of social policy. Liberals may grimace, but hear me out on these points: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/10/opinion/kristof-where-the-gop-gets-it-right.html?emc=edit_th_20140410&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=32808320


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