City of Hudson Plan Commission Meeting

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1. Call to order.

2. Consideration of 8/23/12 & 9/4/12 meeting minutes.

3. Application by Croixland Properties, Ltd for rezoning approximately 131 acres of property at 2200 Carmichael Road (former St. Croix Meadows greyhound racing facility) from B-2, General Business District to PUB, Public or Quasi-Public District and to amend the 2009 City of Hudson comprehensive plan 2030 Master Plan Map land use designation from General Commercial to Institutional (except for the area of the parcel that is designated Conservancy District). The property is generally located one mile south of I-94 and south and east of Carmichael Road.
    A. Croixland Properties, Ltd. and School District of Hudson
    B. Presentation of , August 2012, prepared on behalf of Hudson School District and St. Croix Meadows.  (The plan commission may ask questions or discuss content of the rezoning analysis during the presentation).
    C. Public comment
    D. Discussion and consideration by the plan commission

4. Other business for information purposes only or for upcoming agenda.


Notice is hereby given that a majority of the City Council may be present at the aforementioned meeting of the Plan Commission to gather information about a subject over which they have decision-making responsibility.  This constitutes a meeting of the City Council pursuant to State ex rel. Badke v. Greendale Village Bd., 173 Wis. 2d 553, 494 N. W. 2d 408 (1993), and must be noticed as such, although the Council will not take any formal action at this meeting.

Evjen Rattara September 06, 2012 at 01:24 PM
Step right up folks; come see the Greatest Show on Earth! Not sense John Ringling North or the Great P.T Barnum has there been a spectacle like this. Admission is free so get there early to assure a front row seat to the “Greatest Show on Earth! Watch Administrators walk, talk crawl on their bellies like a reptile, walk on hot coals if it means approval for the show. So come one come all to the Greatest Show on Earth…..
Brenda Bredahl September 06, 2012 at 01:40 PM
I had really hoped to attend this one tonight in support of what is a great plan But we're having a garage sale this weekend to put money for our son's college fund (a public univ is probably all we'll be able to afford). He'll graduate from HHS in 2017 probably from the old high school, where I did in 1978!! It was too small then and even with the old jr. high is too small now. This is a great spot as the infrastructure is in place, traffic management is in place (have you ever been on any street near the high school at 7-730 a.m., including the behind it where I live? What a traffic nightmare.), plus water/sewer, sidewalks, parking lot. I'm proud to have my tax dollars (I'm guessing one family dinner out, at, say, Famous Dave's, per year) to support this project. In over a decade, no businesses have wanted this property and there are many other properties ripe for commercial development that are so much more suitable. Since Wisconsin is "open for business" the recruiting of big cos like Uline and other new development in their proper places like commercial strips and industrial parks will make up for it.
Concerned Citizen #1 September 06, 2012 at 01:53 PM
well said Brenda....good luck with the garage sale.
Micheal Foley September 06, 2012 at 02:20 PM
I just added a couple PDFs to this post. One is a revised version of the original 63-page report (just Pages 1 and 28). Also added is a PDF provided by City of Hudson Community Development Director Dennis Darnold, which appears to be a version of the district's April presentation to the Plan Commission.
Curiosity September 06, 2012 at 02:22 PM
"I'm proud to have my tax dollars (I'm guessing one family dinner out, at, say, Famous Dave's, per year) to support this project." I assume that the dinner you're speaking of is for the land/existing building purchase? The next referendum for the build-out, which may or may not pass, will be for a SUBSTANTIALLY larger amount. Maybe it would still be within the realm of what you're referring to, but I'm not certain everyone realizes that the referendum in April did NOT buy the district a new school, but instead only a new location for a school.
Evjen Rattara September 06, 2012 at 04:42 PM
Chief Foley thats not what I was looking for but nice try, nobody is looking for those pages. I'll have to check with those investigative dynamos at the HSO. You know, you at Meg look alot alike, you wouldn't be cousins?...
Micheal Foley September 06, 2012 at 04:48 PM
I'm not related to Meg, as far as I know. But I'll ask my parents next time I see them and get back to you.
Evjen Rattara September 06, 2012 at 04:59 PM
The resemblance is frightening. Reminds me of the old Patty Duke Show, but I digress. Thanks for the info. Chief and those extra pages, well I think the two holer out back has run through the Cabala’s spring jubilee. Keep up the good work Chief and don’t believe everything they tell you, I think your alright….
Paine Reliever September 06, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Two ways to look at it Evjen, It could also be a spectacle of watching the city planning commission try to walk talk and crawl their way out out of doing what the majority of the public wants them to do. Watch them try to explain away the will of the people that they represent by overestimating the COMMERCIAL value of the long vacant dog track and its near nonexistant value to our tax base. Hear them throw a bunch of unproven "what ifs" in regards to running water and sewer to the UU property that could delay addressing our space needs for years. See them hold onto the comprehensive plan and claim it is sacred and can't be changed, eventhough they change it twice a year. Hear them ignore the warnings of Denny Darnold and the city attorney, And finally watch them try to dismiss the answers provided to them addressing the questions they required the district to provide. It should be good viewing. I will pop extra popcorn.
Paine Reliever September 06, 2012 at 05:55 PM
Great point about the traffic. It is horrible and the city has done very little to address it. 7:30 is a nightmare. There are some in the community that believe the city has postponed the obvious need to make 4 lane roads from the high school to the soccer fields on Vine street and from I94 to the middle school on Carmicheal for a simple reason. They were expecting the school would someday be built on UU and then the entire district would foot the road improvement bill instead of just the city of Hudson. if that did happen, then see how fast all the other property on Carmicheal fills up. There is a plan alright.
Lil Guy September 06, 2012 at 07:00 PM
Really frustrating to know that there are individuals out there who thought 9 million dollars was going to pay for a new school. More like 80 million since they will have to update the other schools and operate a new school. May even be more like 90 million like New Richmond. How many dinner at Famous Dave's will that be now'?
Concerned Citizen #1 September 06, 2012 at 07:34 PM
maybe like 100 billion dollars......yea maybe even 100 gazillion.....that's a lot of ribs.
Brenda Bredahl September 06, 2012 at 08:49 PM
I'm guessing, just guessing, one dinner at Famous daves and a couple of jimmy johns take outs and maybe breakfast at Mickey D's (pick mcd or the diner in st. paul) a year for the land and build/retrofit. Don't quote me but its peanuts for the investment and payback to the region's quality of life and economic well being. If you live in a house that costs 10K a year in property tax, then downsize. 100 bucks a year is peanuts.
Lil Guy September 06, 2012 at 09:23 PM
Where are you getting your numbers from. I have seen no literature come to my mailbox and have yet to hear the school board state a price for the next referendum if this land were to get rezoned. And by the way why don't u think about those on a fixed income before you speak!


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