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Hudson School Board Grants Superintendent $13,000 Pay Raise

Hudson School District Superintendent Mary Bowen-Eggebraaten will be earning $159,480 per year. The Board of Education voted 6-1 to grant her an 8.9 percent raise of $13,071.

Hudson School District Superintendent Mary Bowen-Eggebraaten will be earning a $159,480 salary after the Board of Education emerged from closed session Tuesday night and voted 6-1 to grant her an 8.9 percent raise of $13,071. Board member Sandy Gehrke cast the dissenting vote.

Over the past few months, Fox Lawson & Associates conducted compensation studies for both administrators and teachers using a group of 31 similar school districts in Wisconsin and Minnesota. The firm used some districts in the pool to compare teachers and another set of districts — with some overlap — to compare administrators.

Using the entire pool (minus Eden Prairie), Hudson Patch compared the districts in the report group by enrollment, superintendent salary and superintendent cost per pupil. It also is broken down showing only Wisconsin school districts within the Fox Lawson & Associates group.

Eden Prairie's most recent superintendent salary was reported as $5,000, because the superintendent parted ways with the district early in the year, according to a representative at the Minnesota Board of Education. For that reason, Eden Prairie was not factored into these Hudson Patch calculations.

Hudson Patch used the enrollment figures in the Fox Lawson & Associates report, and the most recent superintendent salary information from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction website and the Minnesota Department of Education website.

 

Ordered by Enrollment

Hudson School District was 21st of 31 districts in enrollment. Hudson's enrollment of 5,624 was 2,511 short of the average of 8,135. The median enrollment was 7,150.

District                                                           State       Salary               Enrollment            Cost Per Pupil      Rosemount-Apple Valley-Eagan MN $185,000 27,496 $6.73 North St. Paul-Maplewood MN $182,847 11,985 $15.26 Wayzata MN $187,500 11,292 $16.60 South Washington County MN $159,900 17,007 $9.40 Eau Claire WI $166,212 11,008 $15.10 Mounds View MN $167,000 10,800 $15.46 Bloomington MN $176,000 10,357 $16.99 Burnsville MN $180,000 9,919 $18.15 White Bear Lake MN $183,058 9,879 $18.53 Hopkins MN $179,000 9,876 $18.12 Eastern Carver County (Chaska) MN $189,500 9,097 $20.83 Stillwater MN $160,000 8,998 $17.78 Shakopee MN $169,000 7,895 $21.41 Forest Lake MN $156,000 7,865 $19.83 Prior Lake-Savage MN $153,000 7,200 $21.25 Elmbrook WI $158,368 7,100 $22.31 Sun Prairie WI $145,036 6,975 $20.79 Centennial MN $159,843 6,426 $24.87 Middleton-Cross Plains WI $155,675 5,887 $26.44 Howard-Suamico WI $148,982 5,745 $25.93 Hudson (before raise) WI $146,409 5,624 $26.03 Hudson (after raise) WI $159,480 5,624 $28.36 Chippewa Falls WI $146,615 5,028 $29.16 Mukwonago WI $159,721 4,955 $32.23 Superior WI $127,409 4,858 $26.23 Menomonee Falls WI $158,000 4,411 $35.82 Kettle-Moraine WI $153,564 4,367 $35.16 Franklin WI $161,558 4,300 $37.57 Germantown WI $132,000 4,034 $32.72 Menomonie WI $127,608 3,324 $38.39 River Falls WI $168,938 3,000 $56.31 New Richmond WI $123,977 2,954 $41.97

Sources
Salaries: Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction and the Minnesota Department of Education 
Enrollments: Fox Lawson & Associates report presented to the Hudson Board of Education on Nov. 13, 2012
Figures exclude Eden Prairie due to superintendent turnover.
Hudson removed from average and median calculations.

 

Ordered by Superintendent Salary

Before her raise, the superintendent's salary of $146,409 was 26th of the 31 superintendents in the group. She made $14,301 less than the average of $160,710. The median was $159,872. 

After her raise, the superintendent's salary of $159,480 was 18th of the 31 superintendents in the group. She will now make just $1,230 less than the average and just $392 less than the median of this group.

District                                         State    Salary         Enrollment    Cost Per Pupil Eastern Carver County (Chaska) MN $189,500 9,097 $20.83 Wayzata MN $187,500 11,292 $16.60 Rosemount-Apple Valley-Eagan MN $185,000 27,496 $6.73 White Bear Lake MN $183,058 9,879 $18.53 North St. Paul-Maplewood MN $182,847 11,985 $15.26 Burnsville MN $180,000 9,919 $18.15 Hopkins MN $179,000 9,876 $18.12 Bloomington MN $176,000 10,357 $16.99 Shakopee MN $169,000 7,895 $21.41 River Falls WI $168,938 3,000 $56.31 Mounds View MN $167,000 10,800 $15.46 Eau Claire WI $166,212 11,008 $15.10 Franklin WI $161,558 4,300 $37.57 Stillwater MN $160,000 8,998 $17.78 South Washington County MN $159,900 17,007 $9.40 Centennial MN $159,843 6,426 $24.87 Mukwonago WI $159,721 4,955 $32.23 Hudson (after raise) WI $159,480 5,624 $28.36 Elmbrook WI $158,368 7,100 $22.31 Menomonee Falls WI $158,000 4,411 $35.82 Forest Lake MN $156,000 7,865 $19.83 Middleton-Cross Plains WI $155,675 5,887 $26.44 Kettle-Moraine WI $153,564 4,367 $35.16 Prior Lake-Savage MN $153,000 7,200 $21.25 Howard-Suamico WI $148,982 5,745 $25.93 Chippewa Falls WI $146,615 5,028 $29.16 Hudson (before raise) WI $146,409 5,624 $26.03 Sun Prairie WI $145,036 6,975 $20.79 Germantown WI $132,000 4,034 $32.72 Menomonie WI $127,608 3,324 $38.39 Superior WI $127,409 4,858 $26.23 New Richmond WI $123,977 2,954 $41.97

Sources
Salaries: Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction and the Minnesota Department of Education 
Enrollments: Fox Lawson & Associates report presented to the Hudson Board of Education on Nov. 13, 2012
Figures exclude Eden Prairie due to superintendent turnover.
Hudson removed from average and median calculations.

 

Ordered by Superintendent Cost Per Pupil

Before her raise, the Hudson superintendent's salary divided by the number of students enrolled in the district (superintendent cost per pupil) of $26.03 was the 12th highest in the group of 31. The average was $19.76 and the median was $22.36.

After her raise, the Hudson superintendent cost per pupil increased to $28.36, making it the 10th highest in the group.

District                                      State    Salary         Enrollment    Cost Per Pupil River Falls WI $168,938 3,000 $56.31 New Richmond WI $123,977 2,954 $41.97 Menomonie WI $127,608 3,324 $38.39 Franklin WI $161,558 4,300 $37.57 Menomonee Falls WI $158,000 4,411 $35.82 Kettle-Moraine WI $153,564 4,367 $35.16 Germantown WI $132,000 4,034 $32.72 Mukwonago WI $159,721 4,955 $32.23 Chippewa Falls WI $146,615 5,028 $29.16 Hudson (after raise) WI $159,480 5,624 $28.36 Middleton-Cross Plains WI $155,675 5,887 $26.44 Superior WI $127,409 4,858 $26.23 Hudson (before raise) WI $146,409 5,624 $26.03 Howard-Suamico WI $148,982 5,745 $25.93 Centennial MN $159,843 6,426 $24.87 Elmbrook WI $158,368 7,100 $22.31 Shakopee MN $169,000 7,895 $21.41 Prior Lake-Savage MN $153,000 7,200 $21.25 Eastern Carver County (Chaska) MN $189,500 9,097 $20.83 Sun Prairie WI $145,036 6,975 $20.79 Forest Lake MN $156,000 7,865 $19.83 White Bear Lake MN $183,058 9,879 $18.53 Burnsville MN $180,000 9,919 $18.15 Hopkins MN $179,000 9,876 $18.12 Stillwater MN $160,000 8,998 $17.78 Bloomington MN $176,000 10,357 $16.99 Wayzata MN $187,500 11,292 $16.60 Mounds View MN $167,000 10,800 $15.46 North St. Paul-Maplewood MN $182,847 11,985 $15.26 Eau Claire WI $166,212 11,008 $15.10 South Washington County MN $159,900 17,007 $9.40 Rosemount-Apple Valley-Eagan MN $185,000 27,496 $6.73

Sources
Salaries: Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction and the Minnesota Department of Education 
Enrollments: Fox Lawson & Associates report presented to the Hudson Board of Education on Nov. 13, 2012
Figures exclude Eden Prairie due to superintendent turnover.
Hudson removed from average and median calculations.

 

Ordered by Enrollment (WI Only)

After removing the Minnesota school districts from the group, the Hudson School District's enrollment of 5,624 ranked sixth of 16 districts — 428 more than the average of 5,196. The median was 4,367.

District                              Salary           Enrollment     Per Pupil Eau Claire $166,212 11,008 $15.10 Elmbrook $158,368 7,100 $22.31 Sun Prairie $145,036 6,975 $20.79 Middleton-Cross Plains $155,675 5,887 $26.44 Howard-Suamico $148,982 5,745 $25.93 Hudson (after raise) $159,480 5,624 $28.36 Hudson (before raise) $146,409 5,624 $26.03 Chippewa Falls $146,615 5,028 $29.16 Mukwonago $159,721 4,955 $32.23 Superior $127,409 4,858 $26.23 Menomonee Falls $158,000 4,411 $35.82 Kettle-Moraine $153,564 4,367 $35.16 Franklin $161,558 4,300 $37.57 Germantown $132,000 4,034 $32.72 Menomonie $127,608 3,324 $38.39 River Falls $168,938 3,000 $56.31 New Richmond $123,977 2,954 $41.97

Sources
Salaries: Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction and the Minnesota Department of Education 
Enrollments: Fox Lawson & Associates report presented to the Hudson Board of Education on Nov. 13, 2012
Figures exclude Eden Prairie due to superintendent turnover.
Hudson removed from average and median calculations.

 

Ordered by Superintendent Salary (WI Only)

Before her raise, the Hudson superintendent's salary of $146,409 was 11th of the 16 Wisconsin superintendents in the group. She made $2,502 less than the average of $148,911. The median was $153,564. 

After her raise, the superintendent's salary of $159,480 was fifth of the 16 Wisconsin superintendents in the group. She will now make $10,569 more than the average and $5,916 more than the median of this group of Wisconsin superintendents.

District                              Salary           Enrollment       Per Pupil River Falls $168,938 3,000 $56.31 Eau Claire $166,212 11,008 $15.10 Franklin $161,558 4,300 $37.57 Mukwonago $159,721 4,955 $32.23 Hudson (after raise) $159,480 5,624 $28.36 Elmbrook $158,368 7,100 $22.31 Menomonee Falls $158,000 4,411 $35.82 Middleton-Cross Plains $155,675 5,887 $26.44 Kettle-Moraine $153,564 4,367 $35.16 Howard-Suamico $148,982 5,745 $25.93 Chippewa Falls $146,615 5,028 $29.16 Hudson (before raise) $146,409 5,624 $26.03 Sun Prairie $145,036 6,975 $20.79 Germantown $132,000 4,034 $32.72 Menomonie $127,608 3,324 $38.39 Superior $127,409 4,858 $26.23 New Richmond $123,977 2,954 $41.97

Sources
Salaries: Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction and the Minnesota Department of Education 
Enrollments: Fox Lawson & Associates report presented to the Hudson Board of Education on Nov. 13, 2012
Figures exclude Eden Prairie due to superintendent turnover.
Hudson removed from average and median calculations.

 

Ordered by Superintendent Cost Per Pupil (WI Only)

Before her raise, the Hudson superintendent cost per pupil of $26.03 was the 12th highest in the group of 16 Wisconsin superintendents. The average was $28.66 and the median was $35.16.

After her raise, the Hudson superintendent cost per pupil increased to $28.36, making it the 10th highest in the group of Wisconsin superintendents.


District                           Salary           Enrollment      Cost Per Pupil River Falls $168,938 3,000 $56.31 New Richmond $123,977 2,954 $41.97 Menomonie $127,608 3,324 $38.39 Franklin $161,558 4,300 $37.57 Menomonee Falls $158,000 4,411 $35.82 Kettle-Moraine $153,564 4,367 $35.16 Germantown $132,000 4,034 $32.72 Mukwonago $159,721 4,955 $32.23 Chippewa Falls $146,615 5,028 $29.16 Hudson (after raise) $159,480 5,624 $28.36 Middleton-Cross Plains $155,675 5,887 $26.44 Superior $127,409 4,858 $26.23 Hudson (before raise) $146,409 5,624 $26.03 Howard-Suamico $148,982 5,745 $25.93 Elmbrook $158,368 7,100 $22.31 Sun Prairie $145,036 6,975 $20.79 Eau Claire $166,212 11,008 $15.10

Sources
Salaries: Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction and the Minnesota Department of Education 
Enrollments: Fox Lawson & Associates report presented to the Hudson Board of Education on Nov. 13, 2012
Figures exclude Eden Prairie due to superintendent turnover.
Hudson removed from average and median calculations.

 

Ordered by Ratio of Superintendent Salary to District's 2010 Median Income

This section was added after the article was originally published in response to a comment by Patch user Vested Interest. 

District                                                              Salary                         District Median Income (2010) Salary to 2010 Median Income Ratio Eau Claire $166,212 $27,879 5.96 Chippewa Falls $146,615 $30,461 4.81 Superior $127,409 $27,482 4.64 Menomonie $127,608 $28,092 4.54 River Falls $168,938 $37,806 4.47 Menomonee Falls $158,000 $40,090 3.94 Franklin $161,558 $45,437 3.56 Middleton-Cross Plains $155,675 $44,038 3.54 Sun Prairie $145,036 $41,293 3.51 Howard-Suamico $148,982 $42,558 3.50 New Richmond $123,977 $35,984 3.45 Mukwonago $159,721 $47,015 3.40 Elmbrook $158,368 $48,439 3.27 Hudson (after raise) $159,480 $49,053 3.25 Kettle-Moraine $153,564 $48,802 3.15 Hudson (before raise) $146,409 $49,053 2.98 Germantown $132,000 $44,679 2.95

Sources
Salaries: Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction and the Minnesota
Department of Education
Median Incomes: http://www.dor.state.wi.us/ra/10schdis.xls
Figures exclude Eden Prairie due to superintendent turnover.
 


Ordered by 2010-2011 Average ACT Composite

This section was added after the article was originally published in response to a comment by Patch user Vested Interest. 

District                             Salary               Average ACT
Composite
(2010-2011)
Middleton-Cross Plains $155,675 25.5 Elmbrook $158,368 25.2 Kettle-Moraine $153,564 23.8 New Richmond $123,977 23.8 Hudson (after raise) $159,480 23.7 Howard-Suamico $148,982 23.6 Mukwonago $159,721 23.4 Germantown $132,000 23.4 Menomonee Falls $158,000 23.1 Franklin $161,558 23.0 Menomonie $127,608 22.8 River Falls $168,938 22.7 Eau Claire $166,212 22.7 Sun Prairie $145,036 22.6 Superior $127,409 22.2 Chippewa Falls $146,615 22.0

Sources
Salaries: Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction and the Minnesota
Department of Education
ACT composites: https://apps2.dpi.wi.gov/sdpr
Figures exclude Eden Prairie due to superintendent turnover.

 

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Scott Erlenborn February 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Business acumen 101: To have an honest negotiation both decision makers need to be present. You can't negegotiate in good faith if the person doing the negotiating doen't have the power to close the deal. That's why good salespeople like myself always ask speak to the decision maker. If you don't know this you would never make it in business. I myself have owned my own painting company (employing 17 student painters at it's peak) and software company (Church Growth Software which we have since sold) and have been a top sales performer for almost every organization for which I have worked. You sound like a mid-level manager that has never negotiated a deal in is life. That said I appriatiate the fact that you have the courage to post your opinion under your own name.
Scott Erlenborn February 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM
Badgerfan - we have that in common. Go re-read my posts and see if that is really an accurate summary of my position.
Vested Interest February 19, 2013 at 02:13 PM
@Scott Erlenborn - it is quite obvious you don't understand the how labor negotiations work when dealing with the public sector. Neither side of the negotiating table has the power to make the decision. Once the negotiating parties have come to an agreement, it then goes back to each side's full body for a vote. Either side can reject what has been negotiated. Maybe you should consider going back and taking Bowdoin's Labor Negotiation 101 class next.
Truthometer February 19, 2013 at 05:15 PM
This is a very interesting find. It compares all school districts in the state by enrollment, test results, teacher salaries and superintendent's salary. Hudson is on the first page. Note where the rank number for the super's salary compared to the teachers' salaries. This is before the raises that were given to the teachers in Dec/Jan and the raise just given to the super. Makes for very interesting reading. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/99999999/WIS0110/130110024?appSession=107936140519935
Truthometer February 19, 2013 at 05:23 PM
I just voted. Has anyone noticed the order of the names for the school district ballot? Hanson and Johnson are numbers 1 & 2. Hanson and Johnson are Mary The Superintendent's hand picked candidates. The 2012 school board ballot had Bell and Holland as numbers 1 & 2. The drawing of the names for ballot position is alleged to be unbiased and random. The drawing is done by the superintendent's office. Coincidence? I'm not buying it.
Paul Bourget February 19, 2013 at 07:46 PM
The names listed on the ballot are in alphabetical order. That was the only thing that I read into it. The turnout appears to be extremely low by the way.
Micheal Foley February 19, 2013 at 08:12 PM
That's not true, Paul. The names are not in alphabetical order on the ballot. See the sample ballot: http://www.co.saint-croix.wi.us/vertical/sites/%7BBC2127FC-9D61-44F6-A557-17F280990A45%7D/uploads/2013_Spring_Primary_Notice_Insert_-_corrected.pdf
Truthometer February 19, 2013 at 08:24 PM
They may have by chance ended up alphabetically this year, but they are drawn out of a hat for the order. The superintendent was questioned about this at a meeting last year, and she confirmed it is a "random drawing." Last year it was Bell, Holland, Leaf, Burtis, Bruch, Gherke. Not alphabetical.
Paul Bourget February 19, 2013 at 08:26 PM
I stand corrected. I guess that was just wishful thinking on my part.
Lori Rodewald February 20, 2013 at 02:02 AM
Quite the conversation going on here. I would also like to say "Ditto" to Roxanne's commentTs. Maybe it is time that the staff (teachers/support staff) have some say in administrators evaluations. Too bad they are all too scared to say anything due to fear of job loss. Way to go Roxanne.
Scott Erlenborn February 20, 2013 at 03:16 AM
Vested Interest - You must have missed the post where I said served as a county commissioner (Gogebic County, MI), where I was also served as vice chair of the finance commitee. I know how the process works. You are correct that it has to be ratified by both the board and the union. However, the difference (and it's a very big difference) is that these negotiations take weeks to complete and the representitives of each party are in regular communication with their recespective party (financee committee and union leadership) in which parameters are directives are given to the negotiators. How exactly would that work when the authotization has to come from the entire electorate??? It can't. This is a blantant facade and every honest person knows it.
Scott Erlenborn February 20, 2013 at 03:40 AM
Thanks for posting - I stand by every word I said.
Vested Interest February 20, 2013 at 04:00 AM
The negotiating members on the public side do consult with the finance committee, but what comes out of negotiations sometimes isn't always what the finance committee wants or can afford. Also, the finance committee doesn't speak for the entire board when the time comes to vote. It's no different on the union side. The union negotiating members may agree to something, but then have it fail to pass the union members vote. It happens more times than you think. The present conditions are no different than before - if the union demands a higher wage increase than the full board is authorized to give and it requires approval by the electorate, what is your problem with letting the vote happen? They can arrange to have a question put on a ballot in what, 45, 60, or 90 days. It's no different than holding a referendum. And since this school district is so good at pushing them, I'm sure they'd arrange to hold one during spring break or Memorial Day weekend claiming that would give the most favorable turnout. To repeat the question asked of you previously, why are you so afraid of a democratic vote? It's what you keep claiming to want. Have the union ask for whatever raise they want and put it on a ballot - then let's vote.
Scott Erlenborn February 20, 2013 at 04:27 AM
Why bother having elected officials that don't have any power do make binding decisions? Just put everything to a referendum. This is all about consolidating GOP power by busting the unions, so let's stop pretending that it's anything other than this.
Vested Interest February 20, 2013 at 02:36 PM
@Scott Erlenborn - ok, let's go with your theory - the GOP is out to bust the public sector unions. I'd say great! I don't believe public sector unions should be allowed. They hold the people (taxpayers) and our government hostage demanding more pay and benefits and will not allow any competition to counter their demands. Is that your idea of freedom for this country? If some private sector company made the same demand, you'd be screaming something be done. But if it's a public sector union, that's ok then. You can't have it both ways. If we really want to fix things properly for unions and administrative staff, whenever a contract expires it should be put out for bid. Qualifications required should be posted and not so strict as to prevent getting at least 3 bids. Lowest bidder wins. If your the salesman you claim, are you saying this wouldn't be fair?
Vested Interest February 21, 2013 at 03:40 AM
@Comrade Groucho - here's a piece of insight that few outside of the teacher's union representatives know. How many out here know that when the teacher's union is negotiating with the local school administration, they take and have a phone conference with union reps of a large number of other schools districts within Wisconsin telling what they have gained in discussions. During that same conference call, this bunch of union reps from other districts will vote on whether that district should accept the offer proposed or push for a higher wage, more benefits or other goodies to be added to the contract. If you think union reps huddle in fear and are meek and humble, rest assured, they are not. These unions do NOT act independently. Just ask the president of the local teacher's union how may times he has voted on what should be accepted at other districts while their reps negotiate. I've listened in on a call and have heard Scott Ellingson vote yea and nay on what terms were to be accepted by Durand and other school districts. Scott Erlenborn may think union negotiations are simple face-to-face gentleman-like agreements, but they are far from it. When going up against this teacher's union, a single school district doesn't stand a chance. And no matter what other's think, it's far from fair.
Scott Erlenborn February 21, 2013 at 04:21 AM
It takes two to reach a deal. The board can always go all NHL Lockout on the teachers but they don't becasue they are smart enough to figure out the simple economics of it. If significantly higher wages are available just across the border with the lanes and columns salary grid still in tact (which it is), then the HSD is going to have a very tough time hiring and retaining top teaching talent. My wife just did a salary spead sheet over a 20 year period and it's not even close. Even with forfeiting half of her WI retiremment earnings, she is still better off in MN. Our competition for top talant isn't the rest of WI but the Eastern Metro. Thus any WI statewide salary comps are irrelevant to the reality of our uniquie geographic location. You have to admit this is just simple economics as each individual seeks to mazimize their utility. If you have any question as to what utility means go to this link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility
Scott Wettleson February 21, 2013 at 01:25 PM
@Scoot E. You chastise Michael Foley and others for using an alias and you're scouring the phonebook for addresses. Is it any wonder why one would use an alias? I'd tell you my address, but I'm sure you already know it. I find this behavior extremely troubling, scary and bordering on paranoia, Seriously, how old are you? I wonder if Betty White has an opening on her show, "Off Their Rockers." Also, you talk about "back alley whisper campaigns, and how you abhor them, but isn't MBE doing the same thing with her hand picked two of Bruce Hanson and Jamie Johnson? I guess you're more interested in having a school board rubber stamp everything that comes down the line, as opposed to having some questioning things. MBE and the school board couldn't get their Depends, or whatever brand they wear, on fast enough once the City Council's vote came down against the dog track. Finally, you being a man of the cloth, I'm extremely disappointed in the condescending and belittling attitude toward others here. Referring to Michael Foley as, "Foley" as well as knocking others for their differing political views is uncalled for and juvenile. I guess I expect more from people like yourself, but once again, I've been let down. Btw, if you respond and I don't in a timely manner, I apologize, I'll be in Madison supporting the wrestling team this weekend.
Scott Erlenborn February 21, 2013 at 01:41 PM
I admitt and apologize for going tit for tat with others here and adding to the level of incivility on this site. The irony is that things had returned to a converstional tone until your post. FYI: People often go by just their last names in business. It was not intended to be demaeaning or insulting.
Scott Erlenborn February 21, 2013 at 02:09 PM
Do you know how the old Baptist circuit rider pastors in Iowa used to deal with hecklers and their tent revivals? They would go out and brawl and return to their pulpit to finish their message after "dealing" with the distraction. Also, there is a famous picture of St Nicholas popping the heretic Arius at the Council of Nicea. There was a time when men brawled to settle their differences, and respected one another for it afterward. Any punk can run off at the mouth, it takes courage to back up what you say with your own blood. In hockey it is known as The Code.
Vested Interest February 21, 2013 at 03:34 PM
That's a great argument to try and use, but it doesn't quite work. The great majority of Hudson teachers don't have a license to teach in Minnesota, so using that as a comparison is apples to oranges. And using the example of saying we won't be able to retain top teaching talent is also a ruse. Why then is it there are 50 applicants for every opening we have. Are you going to say everyone applying is bottom of the barrel. There are a lot of teachers looking for work.
Scott Erlenborn February 21, 2013 at 04:17 PM
It took my wife a couple hours to get an emerergency MN licence and three rather easy tests to pass to get regular licensure (easy for a skilled teaching professional). My wife was a poster child for disctrict success - literally. Her participation in the states first digital learning day was part of a mailer the district sent out last year. We lost her. Maybe Nancy Sweet could chime in and give us the actual numbers of teachers we have lost to MN, rather than simply guessing or throwing out numbers that boslster our argument but may not be true? That said, there is validity to your argumement. Teachers could commute here from Baldwin, Sommerset, and New Richmond, but for an aditional 10 minutes of driving I'm guessing the $10k/year difference would be well worth it. Time will of course tell which of us is right, as the recent teachers' pay increase was too small to alliviate this problem. I'm hoping we can agree to disagree soon.
Chris February 21, 2013 at 05:14 PM
Usually I prefer the Patch's coverage to that of the Hudson Star Observer, but on this story the Patch has under reported. I appreciate the Patch's effort to publish the comparable salaries, but without knowing the total amount of compensation (salaries + benefits), they are meaningless comparisons and the difference in salary becomes a red herring. According to the HSO, the amount of total compensation went up 1.9%. -- from $190K to 194K. This is small increase, both in the private and public sectors.
Scott Erlenborn February 21, 2013 at 08:15 PM
Way too harsh Groucho - I think we should try and remember that we are talking about human beings with families.
Scott Erlenborn February 22, 2013 at 01:24 AM
There seems to be a glaring lack of any evidence - only accusation and innuendo. Is this what we want to become really?
bblair February 22, 2013 at 03:06 AM
Bully, bully good show old chap. He went down the "Glam-ore Chute" ahooo!...jw
Vested Interest February 22, 2013 at 03:29 PM
I thought this story was about the superintendent's salary. What does the county administrator's salary have to do with this? If you want to task the county board to task about the administrator's salary, then have the Patch do a story so comments can be directed at the county board. This story is dealing with the school board.
Vested Interest February 22, 2013 at 05:14 PM
I'd be more than happy to toss my opinions in here about county stuff. I'd just rather that discussion not get lost in with this issue.
Namenotimportant February 23, 2013 at 10:43 PM
I respect your faith in God Scott but I feel it is not the same situation at all.
Micheal Foley February 28, 2013 at 09:05 PM
Thanks for changing your profile from a fake name to your real name, James.

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